Author Topic: P 38 is ruined (Read 5768 times)

bozon · « **Reply #30 on:** April 17, 2006, 12:28:52 AM »

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Originally posted by 68slayr
should you turn fight with your flaps down?

depends on the plane and usually only 1 or 2 notches. Full flaps even when not bugged is generaly a bad idea - unless you are just trying to stop in mid air.

Bozon

leitwolf · « **Reply #31 on:** April 17, 2006, 09:35:04 AM »

Took the 38s for a testride today. Its true, they suck. They didnt before this patch but now they do. The instability in high G turns and most importantly, when stallriding in slow turns at high aoa, which plagued the 109s now haunts the 38s.
Its not as bad as the 109s were, but its still crazy that such a big plane will snaproll right and left under load.
Maybe its just me - but it seems the L model is less affected and is the better of the two late Lightnings now. The -J is ruined. They havent lost much overall, but the low speed handling took a serious beating - and that was about the only thing the P-38s had which made them competitive.

Iceman24 · « **Reply #32 on:** April 17, 2006, 02:22:30 PM »

has anyone noticed the nose on the 38J doesn't drop like a rock anymore when you chop throttle while riding the stall. I haven't flown the G and L much since the new patch not sure about them.

Soda · « **Reply #33 on:** April 17, 2006, 02:25:01 PM »

I did some test flights in P38G and J and have to agree there is some loss in stability. I've never had as much trouble as I did trying to control the J at low speeds while using flaps, the G was a bit better but still generally unstable. It certainly makes them a bit more difficult to fly now. I also noticed the pitch change much more on both when using flaps.

Bruno · « **Reply #34 on:** April 17, 2006, 02:42:54 PM »

Whatever is wrong with the P-38s is far less that what was wrong with the 109s yet you have some of the guys who made excuses for the 109s jumping all over the 38 issues with out all the excuses.

Sure something seems wrong with the the P-38s and should be looked at and corrected.

See how that works, no BS rationalizations about how it must be 'correct'... None of that 'look at the K/Ds' or 'well if flown right its flies fine' etc..

If it has an issue, please fix it...

Iceman24 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 17, 2006, 02:42:57 PM »

just flew the G offline, doesn't seem to have the problems the J has. The J almost feels allot heavier than it used to or it is underpowered. climb rate and acceleration doesn't seemed to be hurt, not sure what happened but I want the old J back

SAS_KID · « **Reply #36 on:** April 17, 2006, 10:15:36 PM »

I read somewhere that the J had a horrible snap roll or stall buffet not sure which one but the L was suppose to have fixed that i guess it may help.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #37 on:** April 17, 2006, 10:46:25 PM »

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Originally posted by SAS_KID
I read somewhere that the J had a horrible snap roll or stall buffet not sure which one but the L was suppose to have fixed that i guess it may help.

Do more reading. The difference between an L and a late J is power. The difference between an L and an early or mid J is dive flaps and boosted ailerons, along with power. No P-38 model was known for a snap roll or stall buffet issue.

EagleEyes · « **Reply #38 on:** April 18, 2006, 12:10:25 AM »

I dont mind. I can actually fly the 38 now. Not sure if thats a good thing!

Iceman24 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 18, 2006, 09:27:05 AM »

I don't believe there is any difference in the power in our J and L, somone with more P38 knowledge can chime in here but I'm pretty sure our J model actually accelerates a little quicker and climbs just a lil faster than our L. I think the only differences are the heavier reinforced control surfaces and the hydraulic boosted controls, also a dive flap or notch as I call it as it is not a true dive flap... The L may have a bit more HP than our J does, but I think the J more than compensates because it is lighter... The G model is the lightest model we have but also the slowest as it has quite a bit less HP than our J and L models.

I'm not sure exactly which model P38's we use in AH but we have allot of info about them on our squad site lots of good films by Murdr Akak and Pellik as well. Basically all you ever wanted to know about the 38 and more

http://479th.jasminemarie.com/index.php

This is a link that shows all of the 38 models, as I said before not sure exactly which we use in AH, this link can also be found on our site.
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p38.html

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #40 on:** April 18, 2006, 09:38:18 AM »

I was referring to the real P-38, as opposed to the AH II P-38. The P-38L had considerably more power as rated by Lockheed and Allison, although the USAAC did not officially accept that rating.

It appears we have the P-38G-10-Lo, the P-38J-10-Lo, and the P-38L-5-Lo. I could be off a little, i've never seen HTC officially state EXACTLY which ones they modelled.

Iceman24 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 18, 2006, 09:54:26 AM »

cc Virgil I've never really heard them state which exact models we have either, according to the info on the link I posted earlier and copied and pasted below, the L doesn't seem to have much more power than the J, with all the added weight on the L, I don't think the small addition of a few extra HP equate out to the weight gain.

"The P-38J also had redesigned Prestone coolant scoops on the tail booms. All P-38Js retained the V-1719-89/91 engines of the P-38Hs, but their more efficient cooling installations enabled military rating at 27,000 feet to be increased from 1240 to 1425 hp, while at that altitude war emergency rating was 1600 hp. "

The P-38L was the final production version of the Lightning and was numerically the most important of all the Lightning versions. Lockheed built 3810 P-38Ls and Consolidated-Vultee at Nashville built 113 more. The P-38L was powered by 1475 hp Allison V-1710-111/113 engines with a war emergency rating of 1600 hp at 28,700 feet and a military rating of 1475 hp at 30,000 feet. Except for the more powerful engines, the P-38L was generally quite similar to the previous P-38J

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #42 on:** April 18, 2006, 10:02:37 AM »

The L isn't really heavier than a J-25-Lo, other than the engines, they are pretty much identical.

The L here doesn't have any extra power. It is modelled to the J engines, at least they say it is.

The stuff over at Widewing's site (Planes and Pilots of World War II) is mostly Warren Bodie's data, long considered to be the gospel for the P-38, since Bodie was a Lockheed engineer and a founding member of the Split S Society. Not to mention he knew the core of the P-38 team personally, even including some of the USAAC personnel.

Stang · « **Reply #43 on:** April 18, 2006, 12:26:57 PM »

Is it really? Flew it last night didn't seem too different, except for that stupid nose up deathstall lol.

Glasses · « **Reply #44 on:** April 18, 2006, 01:45:58 PM »

It isn't ruined you just need some rudder and you can control it easily. I don't really think anything is wrong with it I actually think it might be fixed. Then again it had aerodinamicliscious Ami flaps, so I mean it could be wrong, since I remember historically they could vector thrust.