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Offline Mighty1

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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2006, 09:10:36 AM »
Not true!

What I believe is that all illegals are criminals and should be treated as such.

The rest is irrelevant.
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2006, 09:11:43 AM »
See Rule #7
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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2006, 09:12:20 AM »
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Whats all the top brass of this country doing? How the hell do you think people get ahead in this country? They do it by in some shape or form of exploiting others.

Ask yourself what do you do for a living?


The concept of doing the right thing the right way is beyond you isn't it?  I have always treated others as I would wish to be treated myself and it has payed off in the greater majority of the cases.  For those like you who believe they must exploit others to get ahead, I fire them.

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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2006, 09:19:15 AM »
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I think you already stated why lazs. Try not paying your taxes and see how long that goes ignored. Of course when you start obeying laws selectively how long can it be before no law is immune.

Wondered what you guys would think about the demonstrations going on. Couldn't post with my akiron account. It's been a while, hi everyone.



Go to  IRS and say you like to pay taxes and you are illegal, see whats happend
Go to any insurance company , say you are illegal, and look what they will offer to you.

Id like to see cap chasing another drunk / stoned / danger driver then illegal who look for job.

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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2006, 09:20:13 AM »
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The concept of doing the right thing the right way is beyond you isn't it?  I have always treated others as I would wish to be treated myself and it has payed off in the greater majority of the cases.  For those like you who believe they must exploit others to get ahead, I fire them.


So I take it you own a business.

Follow me here... are you ready....

The goal of your business is to make money.
You hier workers and pay them the LEAST you can to keep costs down
You charge your customers for an OVER priced service or product.
So that you and your buisness makes money.

Naw, you're right no exploiting here just normal business.

EDIT: spelling
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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2006, 09:21:15 AM »
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See Rule #7


Aww man suzzy, that one I actually took some time to post.

couldn't you have just deleted the word in question?

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2006, 09:30:48 AM »
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So I take it you own a business.

Follow me here... are you ready....

The goal of your business is to make money.
You higher workers and pay them the LEAST you can to keep costs down
You charge your customers for an OVER priced service or product.
So that you and your buisness makes money.

Naw, you're right no exploiting here just normal business.


Again, if thats how you wish to run your life then go for it.  I would rather take care of people and have them keep refering customers and being productive workers.

I subbed out some remodeling work on my house about 6 months ago.  The contractor hired incompetent drunks to do the framing work and they screwed the job.  He didn't get paid in full nevermind the bonus I was going to originally give him, He and his partner cameback twice to rework the screwed up framing.  I also filed a complaint and he will likely lose his license and the guys who did the sheetrock were testing him out on me to see if he was any good.  The answer precluded him from getting in on 3 mill in contract  work and the additional ongoing work beyond that.  

You can run yourself like that guy and spend the rest of you life blaming the world for your shortcomings or you can just do the right thing and not worry about it.  I made my choice and am happy with it.

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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2006, 09:31:55 AM »
blk.... it doesn't matter if every single illegal alien is a drunk or a hard worker or a combination of both.... what is important is that he is breaking some major laws.... and more than a few of em.

My solution does not involve punishing the illegals tho except to send then back...

My solution involves mandatory jail time for employers.... The problem will end when a few wussy lawbreaking employers all go to prison.

lazs

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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2006, 09:37:41 AM »
The equation is simple;

Illegal is Illegal, and Legal is Legal.  Period.

Forget the stupid debate over a hypothetical person's individual quality; you can't make foolish generalizations about willingness, or unwillingness, to work about anybody.

The only valid and legitimate question is;  Did an individual enter this country according to the Rule of Law, and thereby demonstrate thier respect for the laws of the country they wish to be a part of?  Or, did the individual choose to ignore the legal opportunity, convince themselves that they are entitled to break the law, and enter this country without permission?

Disgust?  Disgusting is being so reactionary, so simple-minded and so PC that you'd even defend criminal behavior, rather than accept that there are limits to everything in life.

How 'bout this:  I DESERVE to be a wealthy man.  I DESERVE it.  I'm ENTITLED to it.  And doing it the legal way is too difficult, too demeaning and there aren't enough opportunities for everyone who wants to be wealthy as well.

So, I'll be over to YOUR houese, to steal YOUR money, YOUR food, your car, your medicine and your job...'cause I deserve it.  Besides, I hear you didn't want them anyway.

Now, that sounds perfectly fair, right?

Before anyone cries foul, and says that not all immigrants steal, I say I agree...legal immigrants don't, and usually work pretty hard as good citizens.

Illegal border-crashers steal by definition...nothing here belongs to them, and they have no right to TAKE what is not theirs.

Anything else is simply convenient rationalization of criminal behavior.

The solution is in re-evaluating and reforming the current policies, limits and procedures....as well as strict enforcement and harsh penalties for both illegals and the organizations which hire them.

We are ALL immigrants, or the children of immigrants.  The only difference is, mine choose to ask permission first.

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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2006, 09:38:32 AM »
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blk.... it doesn't matter if every single illegal alien is a drunk or a hard worker or a combination of both.... what is important is that he is breaking some major laws.... and more than a few of em.

My solution does not involve punishing the illegals tho except to send then back...

My solution involves mandatory jail time for employers.... The problem will end when a few wussy lawbreaking employers all go to prison.

lazs


From what we just saw in both the house and the senate it ain't gonna happen lazs. What's the next best thing? I think our first priority has to be to secure our borders. After that we can talk about what to do with those here illegally.

I like what i'm hearing from Tom Tancredo of Colorado, hope he runs for prez.

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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2006, 09:39:45 AM »
was bugs me personally about the whole situation is the media, and the illegals themselves.

they are out there protesting, making a big giant thing of it, and the media is eating it up, like if there are this many "protesters" the whole country must be behind them


i feel as strongly or more AGAINST them, but i can not take the day out of work to do something as foolish as protest.

so here i sit at work, doing my part for myself and society, and the liberal media wants no part of it. the real american is meaningless.

lazs is right. why bother?
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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2006, 09:40:10 AM »
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The equation is simple;

Illegal is Illegal, and Legal is Legal.  Period.




When laws aren't enforced are they really laws?

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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2006, 09:43:33 AM »
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  They will be trashing the place... they will be here illegaly... they will drive without a licence and they will be inciting riots.  

We will be paying teachers to not teach while students who can't even read or write or do simple math will be getting "extra credit" for going to the protest party.

lazs


And while all of this has been going on across the country in the last few weeks we have been paying Law enforcement to protect them. City staff have also been into the mix along with counties. Mucho hours of planning, overttime, etc.
For what? If you wish to come to this country, then go through the process and enter legaly. I have no problem with that. This has been let go on unchecked for way too long. We have seen some of it`s results and they are not pretty. Times are tense and our borders needs to be secured. It`s just plain common sense.  It`s not just the Mexican people either. Not by a long shot. If you leave the chicken coop door open, the wolves and foxs will enter. It`s not rocket science. It`s common sense. Quit punishing the citizen and catering to the culprits.
DART and other transportation companies seems to be doing pretty good off of it though. :)
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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2006, 09:47:54 AM »
Well in south tejas, the majority of the police force and city governments are descendants of, or have family members who are illegal aliens.

In other words they are americans of mexican descent, so it's not surprising that they're not going out of their way to counter immigration from Mexico.

I presume it's probably much the same in the other border states.

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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2006, 09:55:34 AM »
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Well in south tejas, the majority of the police force and city governments are descendants of, or have family members who are illegal aliens.

In other words they are americans of mexican descent, so it's not surprising that they're not going out of their way to counter immigration from Mexico.

I presume it's probably much the same in the other border states.

viva la raza



"NEW YORK (AP) -- Thousands of immigrant rights supporters formed a line stretching more than a mile long Saturday as they marched across the Brooklyn Bridge, waving flags from more than a dozen countries as they demonstrated against possible immigration reform in Congress."
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