Iran has enriched uranium

[RAIDER14]

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its Iraq all over again but I think this will mainly be bombing campaign

[Toad]

Nope. Nothing will be done until AFTER the blue cities go up.

[Bogie603rd]

I say we turn Iran into a giant "glass bowl" that "glows in the dark". They are sitting there letting the UN (Hate the UN, but let me make my point) see it. Make no plans on changing their mind about it, and yet STILL nobody will take action?

That's dead wrong, and if we don't take action, someone will be dead... And not just 1 person!

Iran - Time to see the green.......

[Sandman]

...and if we do take pre-emptive action, it will be an act of war. We will give them their own "Pearl Harbor".

I'm going to have to figure out who it was that said it, but I heard this morning on the radio that the wargaming projections for an attack on Iran all end very badly. They also stated that it would only set Iran back 2-5 years on their development effort.

Time to think of some other way to motivate.


Personally, I'd rather the U.S. would simply state, "Build your weapons. You can hurt us, but we can destroy you. You have neither the technology nor the resources to wage war on a global scale. If you use these weapons in an unprovoked attack against anyone, we will destroy you in a like manner. We will not invade. We will not occupy. We will wipe your country, your families, and your children from the face of the planet. You will cease to be."

[Mustaine]

Originally posted by Sandman
...If you use these weapons in an unprovoked attack against anyone, we will destroy you in a like manner. We will not invade. We will not occupy. We will wipe your country, your families, and your children from the face of the planet. You will cease to be."

though a dramatic, and hollywood-esque ultimatum, you know there is no republican or democrat who would actually authorize or go through with it.

[Yeager]

they will deliver nuclear technology to terrorist groups.  There is no reason to think that will not happen.  As long as they do not plan or in anyway participate in a terrorist nuclear attack, they (Iran) can and will convince themselves of their own purity.  Against the great satan.

I would rather Iran be completely destroyed as a functioning society then to be allowed to supply any of the terrorist groups they fincance and support to perpetrate nuclear blackmail or holocaust on the west.  

Unfortunately it wont happen, at least not until the world has seen a terrorist attack with an atomic weapon produced by Iran...by then it will be toolate to contain the retaliation to Iran. The Retaliation will be nuclear and it will be global.

Even the North Koreans have some will to live.  The muslim mindset unfortunately has a well deserved reputation for commiting mass murder through suicide.

Thats what I see happening

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Mustaine
though a dramatic, and hollywood-esque ultimatum, you know there is no republican or democrat who would actually authorize or go through with it.

Thats not true, and I am with Sandy on this one as well.


If a nuke made in Iran goes off in this country, it would be political suicide not to be for nuking the **** out of Iran.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Sandman
...and if we do take pre-emptive action, it will be an act of war. We will give them their own "Pearl Harbor".

I'm going to have to figure out who it was that said it, but I heard this morning on the radio that the wargaming projections for an attack on Iran all end very badly. They also stated that it would only set Iran back 2-5 years on their development effort.

Time to think of some other way to motivate.


Personally, I'd rather the U.S. would simply state, "Build your weapons. You can hurt us, but we can destroy you. You have neither the technology nor the resources to wage war on a global scale. If you use these weapons in an unprovoked attack against anyone, we will destroy you in a like manner. We will not invade. We will not occupy. We will wipe your country, your families, and your children from the face of the planet. You will cease to be."

I'll agree but also add "If we find a nuclear signature of Iran on any terrorist weapon of mass destruction, you will glow". Yes, Nukes can be traced.

[Boroda]

I have a strong feeling that some of you guys are mentally not quite well. "To Belgrade! To Belgrade!!!" (c) Brave Soldier Schweik.

I am scratching the back of my head trying to remember what did Iran do so bad to the US after 1979. The only thing I remember is Iran-Contras back in the 80s, that admiral, Pointdexter was his name IIRC?...

Do you really think that you'll be allowed to act like international gangsters over and over again? Even now it's obvious that only nuclear weapons posession can guarantee other countries from "democratisation" by cruise missiles and carpet bombings, and sooner or later some kind of "coalition of the victims" will be formed, so that the sky will finally look sheepskin size for "new world masters"...

[Yeager]

sandman is saying the US must wait to be attacked with a nuclear weapon made in Iran before taking any action against Iran?  That will cost how many american lives?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'll agree but also add "If we find a nuclear signature of Iran on any terrorist weapon of mass destruction, you will glow". Yes, Nukes can be traced.

Rip, US bought almost all Soviet stock of enriched weapon-grade Plutonium, so I think now "Russian trace" may be easily found in US nuclear arsenal. I can see how you guys will traditionally hang all dogs on us...

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Yeager
sandman is saying the US must wait to be attacked with a nuclear weapon made in Iran before taking any action against Iran?  That will cost how many american lives?

How do you think Iran will attack the US with nuclear weapons? How long ago did you look at the map last time?

And what do you think their reason for attacking US with nuclear weapons will be? What for?

[Yeager]

Ultimately boroda it will come down to a religious equation, iran and US as well as russia for that matter, will not be able to stop whats going to happen.  You might as well accept it.  Its written into the fabric of the cosmos and you wont be able to thwart the inevitable catastrophe.

Mankind will destroy itself me and you with it.

asked boroda: And what do you think their reason for attacking US with nuclear weapons will be? What for?
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They are going to act upon the will of God as they see it.

Iran will never attack the US directly nor preemptively....they will funnel the weapon(s) to their terror groups.  What better way...

[Seagoon]

Hi Sandy,

While I personally see a lot of wisdom in what you say, and I really do, there are some serious problems with it in real-world application:

If Iran develops working thermonuclear weapons, they already have Ballistic Missile systems capable of delivering them to Israel, which is the stated intention of their government. Therefore, the first warning that they have successfully developed a few working warheads might just be that Tel Aviv is now a radioactive hole in the ground. The Russians have provided them with schedules for when US Sattelites are overhead, so we might not even have the warning that the nukes are on their way provided by spotting "launch blooms."  And what's the flight time anyway? 5 minutes?

Also, when making threats, as in "Nuke Israel and we'll anihilate you" one has to take the religious component into consideration. Iran is an Islamic theocracy, therefore the main aim of their government is not the temporal welfare of their people, but the advance of Islam and the conformity of their people to the laws of Islam. A threat therefore to turn Iran into a "nation of martyrs" and deliver most of their men immediately into paradise is actually less of a threat than a ideal.  Additionally, they know such action would unleash a worldwide response from the Muslim world, including but not limited to a total embargo on oil exports and open calls for the  umma to rise up in worldwide Jihad. If that doesn't alarm you consider this, if a few cartoons can produce worldwide rioting and mayhem amongst the umma, what do you think killing millions of Muslims will do?

So, the sit back and wait policy may only ultimately result in Millions of dead Israelis (and Arabs living in and around Israel) which would certainly be a repudiation of our "never again" promise. Waiting on the Iranians may only result in the total destruction of at least two countries, whereas an invasion of Iran would save Israel and Iran from destruction, but would tear the United States to shreds in terms of national and international politics.

So in this the US is: ROCK-----> USA <----- HARD PLACE

- SEAGOON

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Yeager
Ultimately boroda it will come down to a religious equation, iran and US as well as russia for that matter, will not be able to stop whats going to happen.  You might as well accept it.  Its written into the fabric of the cosmos and you wont be able to thwart the inevitable catastrophe.

Mankind will destroy itself me and you with it.

asked boroda: And what do you think their reason for attacking US with nuclear weapons will be? What for?
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They are going to act upon the will of God as they see it.

If you want to talk in terms of faith - I prefer Marxist concept of "inevitable historical progress", at least it is a substitute for rational thinking and common sence, unlike what you posted. I don't see how what you said fits into scientific approach. What you said is worse then Lenin's "Marx's theory is omnipotent because it's true".

You have to understand that religion and traditions only reflect the current state of social and economical development and nessessities. It is one of the really wise things that Marx said. US and Iran don't have anything to share, so I don't see any sane reasons for war. It's pretty obvious that Iran needs nuclear weapons to protect itself from "democratisation", they can do quite good without them - but there is a threat... "Will of god" is only another agenda for useless political rhethorics, nothing more, see above.