Author Topic: Open letter to rooks.... (Read 4364 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #75 on:** April 16, 2006, 10:03:36 AM »

gonzo... it is not a myth that you learn by "getting shot down a lot"

That is gospel. You can only learn so much tho.... you learn a little more when you "get shot down a lot but kill a few" and then....

you learn even more when you "get shot down a lot but shoot down as many as kill you"

You have to start somewhere. Some of us.... most of us players who started ten years or more ago.... never seen a "trainer" or went one on one in any kind of dueling arena...

I have done it later in my carreer and it was pretty much a waste IMO... I learned things that were of no use to me in the MA. It is a different skill set.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #76 on:** April 16, 2006, 11:38:36 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
gonzo... it is not a myth that you learn by "getting shot down a lot"

... You can only learn so much tho.... ...

That was my point. People just give this blanket advice and send the n00bs into the fray expecting some mystical flash of enlightenment to occur after near-constant defeat. And what they learn most and soonest doing things this way is to HO and gang-bang and vultch.

Mixing it up will grant you some basic skills. You can learn more about all of the levels of the game by hooking up with one person and winging together for a while.

As for this thread ... Simaril, as I said, I've observed you to be in the upper echelon already ... even before you started working in the TA ... I ain't online often these days, but when I am I'd gladly wing with you.

Schatzi · « **Reply #77 on:** April 16, 2006, 12:11:27 PM »

You learn a lot getting shot down. IF you have someone explaining you why and telling you how to avoid and do better.

Getting shot a lot, just becoming frustrated and never have the slightes idea why will help you nothing.

IMHO, FUN is the best teacher. Whatever you do, its got to be rewarding fun wise. Thats not neccessarily mean you see the "You shot down xxx" a lot.

Another thing: sometimes (for me practically all the time) you feel like youre stuck, getting worse instead of better. Go take a look at a film you recorded a few weeks ago..... that will usually show you the difference.

Edit: this is coming from someone who just got her butt creamed in the DA. Who and how youre fighting is important, not if you win or loose.

lazs2 · « **Reply #78 on:** April 16, 2006, 12:28:29 PM »

If you can't learn from getting shot down in the MA then you won't learn in the training area.

It is that simple. what you learn in the training area is not transferable for the most part. How is someone so dumb that they can't learn in the MA by getting shot down gonna transfer one on one skills to an arena the is allmost never.... one on one.

for the most part... you are wasting your time in any training or dueling arena.... once you get fairly good you might have some guy that keeps reversing you show you how it is done tho.

The only reason that a lot of people don't learn from mistakes in the MA is because they don't have the will to.

lazs
Public Realations Officer for the BK's

Schatzi · « **Reply #79 on:** April 16, 2006, 02:00:26 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
If you can't learn from getting shot down in the MA then you won't learn in the training area.

IMHO thats NOT true.

Of course always depending on the skill level you already have.

As a ten year game vet, you might have to look for 1 vs 1 training from members of the training corps.

But as the "average MA player" i think you can alway learn in the TA. And ive "taught" many a regular MA player in the TA.

Learning: That might mean explaining things to a noob. In having to explain difficult matters in easily understandable, few lines you learn to understand them better yourself.

I dont think time in the TA or DA is wasted. It might not be literally translatable to MA, but you certainly learn about dogfight, about your plane, about tactics, about E management and a whole bunch of other things. The thing is not only learn what to do in a specific situation, but also learn the how and why, therefor being able to "translate" it to toher situations and fights.

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Originally posted by lazs2
The only reason that a lot of people don't learn from mistakes in the MA is because they don't have the will to.

I FULLY AGREE. You have to haev the willingness to change your ways and to LISTEN. Listen and THINK about what someone tells you! Then decide if you want to apply what he proposes or not.

Urchin · « **Reply #80 on:** April 16, 2006, 02:08:59 PM »

I disagree... the only thing you need to aquire going from the DA to the MA is "SA". The mechanics and "moves" are still the same, you just have to be able to keep track of several different planes and make decisions as to what the best course of action will be.

You are going to be wrong a lot, and die a lot, even if you are "good", but IMO the "skills" transfer over.

Hoarach · « **Reply #81 on:** April 16, 2006, 05:15:11 PM »

I learned everything from MA.

When first started flew the spit 9 for a week just to get the hang of AH. Then flew la5 for another week or two. Then went to a 51 for another month to get a different aspect. Then stuck out in the 38 thanks to deli getting me into it.

Was hard to begin with getting shot down over and over but then caught on and started learning from my mistakes. I didnt film anything so didnt learn from films. If I messed up by doing something to either avoid an attack or pounce on someone I would change it up and just try something different until something works.

I think MA is the best place to learn as you wont get hoards in the TA but I think the TA is best for people brand new to the game.

I dont find myself good in the 38 and now thats its been porked have to learn anew and still find myself that there are other ways to polish my skills in the 38. For example I was working on stuff in a nik in FT on the donut map and learned to do a real nice reversal to be used on opponents diving in real hot and now working it into the 38.

Simaril · « **Reply #82 on:** April 16, 2006, 07:28:41 PM »

Thinking in terms of the OODA loop .... I think experience in the MA can teach observe, orient and act well...but to really "decide" what move is best I needed someone to tell me what moves are avaiable and how they work. At some point the carpenter needs to know what the tools are and how they work; only the truly gifted can naturally design the tools from scratch.

That may just be me, though.

Schatzi · « **Reply #83 on:** April 16, 2006, 07:56:02 PM »

I do not think its just you Simaril.

Iceman24 · « **Reply #84 on:** April 17, 2006, 12:02:01 PM »

someone let astone know that I can be bought

$100 bux a month and I may leave the republic(knights) for the evil empire (rooks)

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #85 on:** April 17, 2006, 12:20:56 PM »

DiKta #9 - Decisions Make An Ace.

Magoo · « **Reply #86 on:** April 17, 2006, 12:45:47 PM »

For what it's worth:

me·lee also mê·lée (m-l)
n.

1. 1. Confused, hand-to-hand fighting in a pitched battle.
2. A violent free-for-all. See Synonyms at brawl.
2. A confused tumultuous mingling, as of a crowd: the rush-hour melee.

Well, that's me - confused

Hey Simaril, congrats on you newfound skills. I've been noticing that every time I blink I see the buffer saying:

SYSTEM: Simaril has landed a Bazillion kills of 4rth Fighter Group

Conversely it's been a week since I've landed any kills and I seem to be going in the opposite direction.One can only assume that you have stolen my MOJO

Magoo

Zazen13 · « **Reply #87 on:** April 17, 2006, 03:04:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Iceman24
someone let astone know that I can be bought
$100 bux a month and I may leave the republic(knights) for the evil empire (rooks)

He's paying people to leave Rooks, not come Rooks...

Zazen

dedalos · « **Reply #88 on:** April 17, 2006, 03:15:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Magoo
SYSTEM: Simaril has landed a Bazillion kills of 4rth Fighter Group

You are thinking of a 'Brazilian'

Iceman24 · « **Reply #89 on:** April 17, 2006, 03:20:56 PM »

"He's paying people to leave Rooks, not come Rooks..."

ok then let him know that I will be switching to rook and if he wants me to leave he'll need to pay me