Author Topic: Open letter to rooks.... (Read 4355 times)

Simaril · « **Reply #90 on:** April 17, 2006, 04:02:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Magoo
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Hey Simaril, congrats on you newfound skills. I've been noticing that every time I blink I see the buffer saying:

SYSTEM: Simaril has landed a Bazillion kills of 4rth Fighter Group

Conversely it's been a week since I've landed any kills and I seem to be going in the opposite direction.One can only assume that you have stolen my MOJO

Magoo

If "bazillion" means "some random number under 6" then I might buy it...because my personal record is 6 i think. Most are 3-4 if I get back. I've never managed the masterful work it takes to land the 8-10 I see fly by on the buffer some nights....

On the other hand Dedalos may have a point, because when i fly the P47D-25 I do use that brazilian skin....

Honestly, though, while its nice to get complements, I think the truth is that I'm a good player COMPARED TO WHERE I USED TO BE. That change started when I decided to go for training regularly, either "pick up" style in TA or by appointment in the DA. I'm realizing that for me at least "getting experience" in the MA means making the same mistakes over and over while occasionaly stumbling across a new idea.

I am a long long way from having the skill to show up in the fighter ranking list, or even to just be a "name". I'm getting the idea of how to fight, but dont for a minute think I'm approaching the higher reaches of game skill.

As a lifelong victim of CIS ("Coordination Impairment Syndrome,"), I'd be more inclined to say that if I can do it, just about anybody can.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #91 on:** April 17, 2006, 04:35:31 PM »

Sim, one of the guys I used to fly with not only flew A7's off the Midway in SE Asia, but was also a Navy flight instructor at Miramar, and his Dad led a B17 group over Germany. He was quick to acknowledge that there is a lot more going on in Air Warrior (and so therefore WB and AH) than just "dog fighting." This is so much more than a hand-eye-coordination game; the fact that we have so many people who fly while drunk proves that.

Magoo · « **Reply #92 on:** April 17, 2006, 09:28:47 PM »

HICCUP

ghi · « **Reply #93 on:** April 18, 2006, 12:38:37 AM »

civil war in rookland ??! Cool !

"Divide et impera"

Simaril · « **Reply #94 on:** April 18, 2006, 07:22:11 AM »

How do you divide a herd of cats?

Iceman24 · « **Reply #95 on:** April 18, 2006, 08:38:57 AM »

"Sim, one of the guys I used to fly with not only flew A7's off the Midway in SE Asia"

I went on a tour of that carrier about 2 months ago while I was in San Diego, it's a big Museum now. Very very cool ship, had every type of korea/vietnam era plane as well as an F14 and a bunch of choppers. They even have actual simulators setup that are built out of F4 and skyhawk cockpits that you can sit in and fly. Its pretty cool, they have a bunch of retired F18 hornet pilots that give you a brief runthrough of the control systems and then 1 will hop in the back seat and operate the radar and all that. I shot down 3 - SU27's over San Diego bay, the second to last I got with guns and last kill I made him auger

Then you get to go do some cv landings and then a simulated landing at Baghdad Int'l airport with simulated AAA. I never died once and the F18 pilot was impressed that I knew so much ACM's I had to tell him about this game, he said him and some of his buddy's would check it out. When I was leaving they said they are going to switch all the aircraft to WWII era sometime in April so I definately want to go back now

Anyways if you get a chance check it out, its a blast.

dedalos · « **Reply #96 on:** April 18, 2006, 08:40:44 AM »

***Learning by getting killed a lot.
I think what people mean is that you learn by actually getting into a fight. Fight either someone better or more than one. You will get killed a lot, but you will learn a lot. So, it is true.

***TA/DA Skills
You can definetly play it safe and never actually put yourself in a situation where any dogfighting skills would be needed. If thats how you play then what ever you learn in 1 vs 1 training would be useless to you except for when someone else like y ou comes in a little higher.

If however you like to fight, SA (that you can learn only in the MA) alone cannot help you. You need to know what your plane can do, what you can do, how to dodge bulets, etc.

So, 1 vs 1 skills are only good only they fit your flying stile.

***Why you learn more in the DA/TA?
Easy to answer. You can get in over 100 1 vs 1 focusing on ACM only and not woring about cherry pickers etc in less than 1 hour. IN the MA you have to fly for 10 minutes to either get HOed, Picked, Ganged, or do those things yourself. It would take years in the MA to match 1 month in the DA with someone good.

***Why I would not recomend to anyone new to try the DA (TA is ok)
Well, its a game. Part of the fun is figuring it out. Once you do and you become good, you get borred. The reason I made it in here for 3 years is that I sucked for the first 2 (and still do)

Iceman24 · « **Reply #97 on:** April 18, 2006, 09:36:16 AM »

personally I couldn't buy a kill until pellik and murdr took me to the da and showed me some fundamentals and worked with me a bit. I didn't know a lick about advanced ACM's either. If it wasn't for the DA, I would still be a total newb. IMO it takes both to be a descent stick, certain things like multiple con SA is allot easier to learn in the MA. But to help someone learn advanced acm's like a rolling scissors or stall fighting can be tought allot easier in the TA or DA versus just upping and getting ganged in the MA. Personally the DA helped me more than anything, of coarse some people may learn new habits easier different ways, I suggest using both.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #98 on:** April 18, 2006, 12:35:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Iceman24

I went on a tour of that carrier about 2 months ago while I was in San Diego, it's a big Museum now. Very very cool ship, had every type of korea/vietnam era plane as well as an F14 and a bunch of choppers. They even have actual simulators setup that are built out of F4 and skyhawk cockpits that you can sit in and fly. Its pretty cool, they have a bunch of retired F18 hornet pilots that give you a brief runthrough of the control systems and then 1 will hop in the back seat and operate the radar and all that. I shot down 3 - SU27's over San Diego bay, the second to last I got with guns and last kill I made him auger Then you get to go do some cv landings and then a simulated landing at Baghdad Int'l airport with simulated AAA. I never died once and the F18 pilot was impressed that I knew so much ACM's ...

I had a similar experience years ago at SIGGRAPH in LA. The Navy research group from Monterey (I think it was Navy ... it's been many years) had their multi-base flight sim system set up - it was a flight sim which allowed people from many airbases to do what we do every night, but in jets.

So I start asking them about comm's and how they handle IFF and so on. But they're really more interested in seeing nerdly hackers try to fly and crash. They didn't have this unit hooked into the network, so you were just screaming around the terrain by yourself, but there were lots of hills and stuff. While I was chatting I kept hearing them tell people trying it: "Don't feel bad, flying a modern jet is very tough" ... and so on.

Anyway, they started to get annoyed with me (who me? ... hehe) and asked if I'd like to try flying ... the way they said it, I knew they wanted to see me auger like everyone else. Ho ho ho. Well, after having flown AW for so many years - even with it's bizarre interpretation of "physics" - it only took like 15 seconds to get the hang of it. The guys in the flightsuits weren't happy ... so they said: "Here, try this." and typed on the console and suddenly I was in the Grand Canyon going at some ungodly speed.

Of course, I didn't bounce off the Canyon's walls like they wanted, and after about a minute they asked me to give up the seat because "others were waiting." Which, they weren't. Hehehe. PWN3D!

Iceman24 · « **Reply #99 on:** April 18, 2006, 01:00:33 PM »

unfortunately I had to play against stupid AI SU27's not much of a threat there lol I wish they would have had a setup like you flew in, I would have loved to whoop up on some navy insect (super hornet ) pilots

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #100 on:** April 18, 2006, 02:24:16 PM »

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Originally posted by dedalos
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If however you like to fight, SA (that you can learn only in the MA) alone cannot help you. You need to know what your plane can do, what you can do, how to dodge bulets, etc.

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I dunno ... I think the longer you've been at this the more your SA and instincts become part of your arsenal. You need to rely less on hand-eye skills because you can predict better what's going to happen.

dedalos · « **Reply #101 on:** April 18, 2006, 04:00:02 PM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I dunno ... I think the longer you've been at this the more your SA and instincts become part of your arsenal. You need to rely less on hand-eye skills because you can predict better what's going to happen.

Correct, and once you predict that you are in troble, you have to do something about it. Just knowing that you are crewed cause the turning went a little longer and the lala,spit, nik, 38 cought up with you, is not enough. Some how you have to find a way out of it.

Unless you are saing that by using SA alone you will never get in troble. Too mach SA leads to flying at 20K and picking and running. The fun is in controling how mach troble you get in and trying to get out of it. Thats when ACM comes in.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #102 on:** April 18, 2006, 05:15:44 PM »

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Originally posted by dedalos
... The fun is in controling how mach troble you get in and trying to get out of it. Thats when ACM comes in.

Yes ... but give it another ten years and see where you put the balance between SA and ACM, you may be surprised how far you can push things without having to rely on fancy moves.