Author Topic: P51 and the 50 cal (Read 2541 times)

SgtDibs · « **on:** April 18, 2006, 08:43:37 PM »

Is it just me or is the 50 cals on a P51-D useless. I swear it's like firing 22 cal rounds. My past military experiance is you put two or three 50 cal rounds in something, it's pretty well toast. Has AH altered the effectiveness Skuzzy? I'm sure it's been covered before, but what the heck, I ain't no forum jukie.

Glasses · « **Reply #1 on:** April 18, 2006, 09:45:49 PM »

Well ask about the folks who fly German planes putting 20 rounds of 20mm of MG151/20 into La5s and La7s and flying off as if nothing happened same goes for P-51s.

Squire · « **Reply #2 on:** April 18, 2006, 10:38:13 PM »

You are aware that the P-51D comes with a 4 x 50 cal option? make sure you have 6 selected in the hanger. Set conv to 250 for all guns. I dont get the complaints about 50s in AH, they saw fighters in 1/2 easily.

Saxman · « **Reply #3 on:** April 19, 2006, 02:39:48 AM »

Even the 4x.50 cal will make a real mess of a fighter in here if you get a good shot in.

RTSigma · « **Reply #4 on:** April 19, 2006, 03:29:16 AM »

Aim where it hurts. Engines, cockpit, tail. Aiming for a center body-mass rather than important components can lead to wasted ammo.

Ghosth · « **Reply #5 on:** April 19, 2006, 07:59:13 AM »

Set your convergience, and then shoot at your convergience.

Often takes a 1 second burst to saw through a wing or tail.

Also keep all your rounds hitting in the SAME PLACE!

Most planes can take 3 - 4 seconds of fire if its scattered from this wingtip to that, front to back etc.

When you can see your getting hits is NOT the time to conserve ammo.
If your behind him, and hitting him hold the trigger down till he dies!

Then see if you have enough left for another kill or if its RTB time.

SgtDibs · « **Reply #6 on:** April 19, 2006, 03:04:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Squire
You are aware that the P-51D comes with a 4 x 50 cal option? make sure you have 6 selected in the hanger. Set conv to 250 for all guns. I dont get the complaints about 50s in AH, they saw fighters in 1/2 easily.

How often do you fly 51-D's. Not much I'm sure. A 50 cal is a 50 cal. A short burst in a wing or rudder should be enough to cripple or destroy. Doesn't happen. I'm not the greatest dogfighter but as Popoeye say's " I's Knows what I's knows" Think if AH made it as effective as it should be, everybody would be in a 51.

Bronk · « **Reply #7 on:** April 19, 2006, 03:15:22 PM »

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Originally posted by SgtDibs
How often do you fly 51-D's. Not much I'm sure. A 50 cal is a 50 cal. A short burst in a wing or rudder should be enough to cripple or destroy. Doesn't happen. I'm not the greatest dogfighter but as Popoeye say's " I's Knows what I's knows" Think if AH made it as effective as it should be, everybody would be in a 51.

Don't know bout all that but... got 5 kills in a B model last night ( no vulches). 50s are just fine set convergence to 400 and let her rip.
I am no uber pilot either so if i can do it anyone can.
Ohh and no luck hitting the tails i go for wings when i get a good shot.

Bronk

Schutt · « **Reply #8 on:** April 19, 2006, 03:25:27 PM »

Have to consider that the planes you fire at are 6.000 to 16.000 lbs for a fighter... its not that they are made of paper. Also its a lot of coverd structure, so you can shoot through the cover without doing much damage at all.

bkbandit · « **Reply #9 on:** April 19, 2006, 03:35:04 PM »

Everything i fly got 6 50 cals. And sometimes it works sometimes it dont. I remember to fightin in paticular. A spit 16(dweeb) was tryin to cross my face and i punched his wing off clean(thats how they should work all the time). ANother fight was wit a zero, i came in on his top left and drew a start line from has left wing through the cockpit all the way down the right wing. Even the guy in the zero should he should have been dead.

U should noe more about 50 cals better then any of us cause of ur military exp. The usaf put 6 50s on everything 4 a reason.

Simaril · « **Reply #10 on:** April 19, 2006, 03:38:35 PM »

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Originally posted by SgtDibs
How often do you fly 51-D's. Not much I'm sure. A 50 cal is a 50 cal. A short burst in a wing or rudder should be enough to cripple or destroy. Doesn't happen. I'm not the greatest dogfighter but as Popoeye say's " I's Knows what I's knows" Think if AH made it as effective as it should be, everybody would be in a 51.

I fly 51s a lot. My squad is based on the 4TH FG, which flew P-47s early and transitioned to P-51s. WHile we dont have "rules" liimiting our planes, we're really attached to our stable of historic skins.....

And we do not have problems with the 50s.

You may "know what you know," but the 50s work jsut they way they're supposed to, and they're deadly if used right. When you hit a mving target with a kinetic round like the M2, you will punch a hole.. and thats it. To critacally damage an aircraft built with redundancies, you need to put a number of rounds IN THE SAME PLACE. The 50cal will not rip a plane part off with a single hit sprite, but if you put 5-6 on the SAME HIT ZONE that part will be gone.

Although you discoutned it, you've already been given the correct answer.....CONVERGENCE. If you hti your target at the same range as your bullets meet at a point, you will destroy whatever that point touches. If you dont, the burst needs to be longer since bullets are being spread out over several damage areas...or you're only hitting iwth half your bank of guns.

If you have convergence set at a long distance (like 500 METERS, almost 1/3 mile) remeber that the kineteic energy decreases with range and you will do less damage per bullet.

On the other hand, with 4x50s in a P-51B, I've made targets outright explode with a 0.25 sec burst -- essentialy a squirt -- jsut by hitting the enemy in an important area exactly at convergence.

As a pony pilot, I know what I knows too.

Simaril · « **Reply #11 on:** April 19, 2006, 03:42:20 PM »

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Originally posted by bkbandit
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ANother fight was wit a zero, i came in on his top left and drew a start line from has left wing through the cockpit all the way down the right wing. Even the guy in the zero should he should have been dead.

...snip....

And here's an excellent example. By stitching the hits all along the target from side to side, the damage was spread out over a large number of damage areas. No single area had enough hits to take the damage over the failure threshold.

So this was not a failure of the gun, but of the hit pattern.

Only a very few guns (like the german 30mm and the russian 37mm) can rip imporatnt structures off with a single flash.

Spatula · « **Reply #12 on:** April 19, 2006, 03:55:46 PM »

Aint nuthin porked about the 50cals in any plane. Set em up right, and use em right, then they're the shredders of all they're pointed at. You have to learn to concentrate the 'stream' at a point for 1/2 second or so and they'll tear planes to bits.

bkbandit · « **Reply #13 on:** April 19, 2006, 04:20:05 PM »

So the spits wings are weaker then the zeros wings. The spit kill was pretty much a snap shot. The zero was a line of flashes not 4 5 pings across but a solid line from tip to tip. And he was pretty close between 200 and 400. He take at LEAST 6 hit in his cockpit alone. Ill watch the same 2 planes in a pacific war documentary and 5 hits to the body and the zero goes on fires. I mean he should have had some damage at least.

dedalos · « **Reply #14 on:** April 19, 2006, 04:25:12 PM »

The guns are fine. I can cut a plane in half with only a few pings and then other days I can empty the full clip and have the guy fly away. What you may be seeing is the ruber bulets syndrom (that does not exist).

In the case they ruber bulets do exist, it is your fault, your ISVs, or your PC. Get a new ISV a new computer and try to understand what you see.

If you think thats BS, you may want to try and eliminate all non needed processes/services on your computer and maybe lower your resolution.

If all fails, then it is net lag