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« Reply #90 on: April 24, 2006, 12:58:00 AM »
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I say.... let the price of fuel be reflected by the price per barrel but take all the tax off it.
But I thought it was only socialist countries like Britain that committed the unspeakable act of levying taxes on road fuel? I thought that in your capitalist utopia, there was no such thing as tax. Besides, earlier it was all being blamed on oil company "price gouging". Why the sudden focus on tax?

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« Reply #91 on: April 24, 2006, 01:43:09 AM »
beetle you're misinformed.

In the U.S. we don't have any taxes.  On anything.  I went to file my income taxes this year and was only able to send in a pay scale survey to the former IRS so they could work some per capita figures based on income.  In fact the letterhead was changed to IRSS for Income Research Survey Service.

Darndest thing.

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« Reply #92 on: April 24, 2006, 07:25:21 AM »
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beetle you're misinformed.

In the U.S. we don't have any taxes.  On anything.  I went to file my income taxes this year and was only able to send in a pay scale survey to the former IRS so they could work some per capita figures based on income.  In fact the letterhead was changed to IRSS for Income Research Survey Service.

Darndest thing.


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« Reply #93 on: April 24, 2006, 07:38:41 AM »
CAMARILLO, Calif. — Retail gas prices across the country jumped an average of nearly a quarter per gallon in the past two weeks, according to a survey released Sunday.

Self-serve regular averaged $2.91 a gallon, up from $2.67 two weeks ago, said Trilby Lundberg, who publishes the nationwide Lundberg Survey of 7,000 gas stations.

Also Sunday, OPEC President Edmund Maduabebe Daukoru predicted that oil prices would fall from their current high of just over $75 a barrel to stabilize in the "upper fifties to lower sixties."

Crude-oil prices hit a new record Friday, fueled by concerns about Iran's nuclear ambitions and tight U.S. gasoline supplies.

The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries president said the solution to high prices lies in a calmer international environment and boosting refining capacity — not increasing output which would only clog the market.

"If we do the right things by lowering international tensions, oil prices will definitely stabilize," said OPEC President Edmund Maduabebe Daukoru said in Doha, Qatar.

In the Lundberg Survey, mid-grade hit $3 a gallon, up from $2.76, while premium climbed to an average of $3.10, from $2.86 two weeks ago.

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The survey covered the period from April 7 through April 21.

Among the stations surveyed, the lowest average price in the country for regular unleaded was in Boise, Idaho, at $2.54 a gallon.

Drivers in San Diego were paying the most for gas, at an average of $3.12 a gallon for regular.

 Now here is the truth of the matter......
 Iran has to export it's crude oil to other countries to be refined , and then import it back, to storage tank farms  and distribute  it to gas stations to sell it .  Gas in Iran is sold at way below  cents a gallon !!! ( US cents) .
 
  Now do you think that the Bush administration or this  band of bastards running this country give a rats bellybutton ? .... Have a look at this , then see how you feel about our so called  free enterprise system and deregulation of gas in the US.....

Cheap gas? Iraq or bust

"Iraqis Paying 5 Cents a Gallon for Gas" You heard it folks... straight from the AP. The current average price for a gallon of gas in Iraq is right around 5 cents. That means you could fill up your brand new Hummer H2 for about $2.20.

Now, I'm going to take sort of a long shot here and guess that you are standing on top of your chair screaming "WTF" well maybe not "WTF" probably more like "WHAT THE ****!". Well I can understand your frustration. Now let me take that frustration and build on that a bit.

You are probably a bit confused as to how Iraqis are able to get gas that cheap well heres how that works:

    Although Iraq is a major petroleum producer, the country has little capacity to refine its own gasoline. So the U.S. government pays about $1.50 a gallon to buy fuel in neighboring countries and deliver it to Iraqi stations. A three-month supply costs American taxpayers more than $500 million, not including the cost of military escorts to fend off attacks by Iraqi insurgents. The arrangement keeps a fleet of 4,200 tank trucks constantly on the move, ferrying fuel to Iraq.

OK, so we are basically paying an obscene amount of money so that Iraqis can have cheap gas. Now heres something else that might just make the pot boil over:

    The U.S. government paid even more last year for Iraqis' gasoline — between $1.59 and $1.70 per gallon — when the imports were contracted to Halliburton, the Texas oil services giant formerly headed by Vice President Dick Cheney

Haha, no way. I can't believe that someone would actually sit there and try to tell me that Halliburton is trying to cheat us out of millions of dollars. I just don't see how they expect us to believe that such a thing could happen, especially when we have Dick Cheney in charge/not in charge/formerly in charge of Halliburton. It just couldn't happen... ?

Well, at any rate, no matter how much cheap gas we provide for Iraq its not going to last forever and I think this quote pretty much sums it up:

    "The U.S. taxpayer has a right to be indignant, and Iraqis have to be warned about the long-run damages of this," said Anthony Cordesman, an Iraq analyst with the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. "The minute the aid goes out, the party is over. And there's going to be a hell of a hangover."


 
 
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« Reply #94 on: April 24, 2006, 08:13:38 AM »
This is funny... beet and some guy named upwwwpwwz whatever talking about cars.... you guys don't know anything about cars.  

Corvette has 525 hp and get's 26 mpg  my Lincoln town car is two tons and gets 24 mpg...  allmost every SUV and pickup in the U.S. get's over 20 mpg brit cars are not at all good examples of cars that get good milage till you get down to the toy car versions.  

Beet... you are allways saying how you-0-peean fuel has allways been expensive... no... it really hasn't... it is just taxed to death.  That is what I don't want here.... I would rather the oil co make a profit than the same amount go to the government in tax.... no... I would rather the oil companies make 10 cents more in profit than the government make 2.

you talk about the evil SUV's that get 12 mpg when they really get over 20 mpg and... when they have the wife and 3 kids in em they are getting 4 times the milage per person of your audi... even if they spend half their life with one person only in the car... they are getting twice the lifetime average milage of your car.  

Fuel prices will level out when demand drops and alternatives become better and more exploration yeilds fields and higher priced shale and coal become economicaly viable.

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« Reply #95 on: April 24, 2006, 08:34:59 AM »
I love the 5/6 and 12mpg statements made over and over as if anyone is actualy buying it. :)
When I started the biker supply business I bought a Wells Cargo enclosed trailer. I started pulling it around the country with a `87 Ford P.U. (Still have it) 302 with a 5 speed. The trailer would be stacked front to back with biker apparel, custom parts, etc., etc. On top of the totes were stacked my canopy, many 2X8 sheets of 3/4" plywood, folding saw horses, lighting, electical cords...on and on. There was normaly about 3 inches left to the ceiling. The truck bed would normaly be partialy loaded also. I never got anywhere near as low mileage as that.

I also had a `68 Chevy shortbed P.U. as a toy. I ran 350s in it usualy. (I changed often ):D  Various shades of "hog troughs" for carbs.  Normal driving procedure for "Spot" was to have both feet flat on the floor as much as possible. Still beat the hell outa those figures milage wise.
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« Reply #96 on: April 24, 2006, 09:28:26 AM »
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« Reply #97 on: April 24, 2006, 10:29:59 AM »
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the sort of money that some guys have to pay to get more than one TV station (if you live in Concord,CA, for example).  


We have to because the surrounding mountains block out the free stations.

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« Reply #98 on: April 24, 2006, 11:34:35 AM »
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you talk about the evil SUV's that get 12 mpg when they really get over 20 mpg and... when they have the wife and 3 kids in em they are getting 4 times the milage per person of your audi... even if they spend half their life with one person only in the car... they are getting twice the lifetime average milage of your car.    
I don't see any logic in that statement - probably because there isn't any. You assume that my Audi is a single seat vehicle. It isn't. It seats four in comfort, and I did indeed have four in it two weeks ago for the easter hols. I've just been and refuelled it - immediately after refuelling it told me I have enough fuel (55 litre tank) for 685 miles. :D You also need to bear in mind that when I flew down to Qatar, I wasn't the only passenger on the plane - there were at least 200 others.

As for 12mpg gas guzzlers, Ripsnort told me that his vehicle gets 8mpg, or 11mpg at best. But it's a moot point because most oil is used for industry and purposes other than road fuel.
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Fuel prices will level out when demand drops and alternatives become better and more exploration yeilds fields and higher priced shale and coal become economicaly viable.  
Doesn't look like happening any time soon. Even if Bush decides to plunder that Arctic Reserve, it's going to be 12 years before the oil comes on line. And someone is going to have to pay for the infrastructure for that to happen. That's either going to have to be the oil companies or the government (read taxpayers). Either way, gas prices are going to have to rise to pay for it. If it doesn't go ahead, you're still going to be importing 10 million barrels a day. And, with people continuing to buy monster trucks (see the truck thread) demand looks set to stay high. Let's revisit this thread in July - around the July 4 weekend (the 4th is a Tuesday this year) and see what the prices are then. If they're lower than they are now, I'll eat my hat, and post a picture of me doing it.

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« Reply #99 on: April 24, 2006, 12:08:03 PM »
You really enjoy picking on that 8 to 12MPG truck, eh beet?

What about the following list?  All available in America, but built elsewhere.

Aston Martin
DB9 Coupe 12/19 MPG
DB9 Manual 11/18 MPG
Volante 13/18 MPG
Volnte Manual 11/18 MPG
**V12 Vantage S 11/17 MPG
V8 Vantage 13/19 MPG

Bentley
**Arnage 10/14 MPG
**Arnage LWB 10/14 MPG
Continental Flying Spur 11/18 MPG
**Continental GT 12/19 MPG

Rolls Royce 12/19 MPG

** Worst gas mileage in its class

The combined worldwide sales from the above list far exceeds any truck sales, in the U.S., where the truck gets less gas mileage than the above.
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« Reply #100 on: April 24, 2006, 12:33:13 PM »
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You really enjoy picking on that 8 to 12MPG truck, eh beet?

What about the following list? All available in America, but built elsewhere.

Aston Martin
DB9 Coupe 12/19 MPG
DB9 Manual 11/18 MPG
Volante 13/18 MPG
Volnte Manual 11/18 MPG
**V12 Vantage S 11/17 MPG
V8 Vantage 13/19 MPG

Bentley
**Arnage 10/14 MPG
**Arnage LWB 10/14 MPG
Continental Flying Spur 11/18 MPG
**Continental GT 12/19 MPG

Rolls Royce 12/19 MPG
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Hehe Skuzzy, if you can afford those cars you're not going to complain about the price of petrol surely? :)  None are British owned btw.

1 1/2 years ago I sold my car and I'm now relying on public transport (very realiable and always on time) or my bicycle.  No doubt when I get round to buying a car again (when the public transport sucks) I'll have a huge shock about the price of fuel again.

The thing I find though is that oil companies will always find any excuse to put fuel up, whether it's legitimate or not.  I just don't trust the robbing bastiges ;)
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« Reply #101 on: April 24, 2006, 12:40:33 PM »
I thought it interesting those very high end vehicles sales exceed the sales of trucks/SUV's which get worse gas mileage, than the cars in the list.
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« Reply #102 on: April 24, 2006, 12:48:29 PM »
Are you sure they do? Aston Martin make about 2,000 cars a year in total, Bentley make about 8,500.

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« Reply #103 on: April 24, 2006, 01:00:23 PM »
Of the trucks, rated 1 ton or less, that get less gas mileage then those cars, yes, I am quite sure.  Now I am only going by the 2005 sales.  2006 sales appear to have a larger gap, at the current pace.
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« Reply #104 on: April 24, 2006, 01:02:03 PM »
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You really enjoy picking on that 8 to 12MPG truck, eh beet?
Yes, YES!! :D

And... somewhere else I mentioned all of those makes as producers of V8 powered cars that are available here. But - not many are sold. Check the prices and you'll see why.

However, the best selling vehicle in America for 20-odd years has been the Ford F150 pickup. I looked at the 4WD variants of this on http://www.fueleconomy.gov and found that city mileage is 14, highway 18.

However, also in the top 3 best selling vehicles in America (all of which are pickup trucks) is the Dodge Ram. As you can see from my chart its fuel consumption is wicked, and the CO2 output rating is piss-poor.

Look at the gas mileage of the last one in the list, and ask yourself when beet1e has ever been wrong about anything! :p