Islam is going Nuclear

[Grendel]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Sure we can.  Iran want's to wage war on "the west" they are islamic.....it fits.

So how do you suppose it is them who want to wage war?
How many countries Iran has invaded on last/current century?
Is Iran threatening to invade anyone?
WHich one it is: is Iran current threatening to invade, or is somebody speaking about invading/bombing them?

Any sovereign country has the right for self-defence. So far Iran hasn't made any moves to threaten anyone.

[Debonair]

they invaded irak, they deserve to be pwnd

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Debonair
they invaded irak, they deserve to be pwnd

[ramzey]

Originally posted by Debonair
they invaded irak, they deserve to be pwnd

so tell me when smartass?

[Debonair]

1982-1988...and thats just how smart my bellybutton is.  my head really pwns

[Rolex]

I think he's just a kid, ramzey. Maybe just letting it go is better?

[ramzey]

Originally posted by Debonair
1982-1988...and thats just how smart my bellybutton is.  my head really pwns

kid just use google and dont spread b***its, ok?
chk 22 september 1980

Rolex, stupidity and ignorance should be pointed at any time, cuz ignorance spread faster then bird flue ;-)

here is som interesting reading
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jksonc/docs/ir655-nightline-19920701.html

[Debonair]

Originally posted by ramzey
kid just use google and dont spread b***its, ok?
chk 22 september 1980

Rolex, stupidity and ignorance should be pointed at any time, cuz ignorance spread faster then bird flue ;-)

here is som interesting reading
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jksonc/docs/ir655-nightline-19920701.html

by the same logic, the US never invaded germany.
we both know that aint how it happened.

P.S. your favorite bookmark is old news, boring.

P.P.S. pwnd

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Rolex
When oh when will you ever learn? Obviously, never.

For a century now, US interference in the domestic affairs of another country has come back to haunt it.

Iran was a friend of the US.

The present generation of Iranians distrust and dislike the UK and US because their parents lived under a brutal dictator, installed after the peaceful and thriving democracy of Iran was overthrown by the US and UK to protect the interests of the UK oil business in Iran. They wanted to keep the Iranians barefoot and poor while sucking the oil and gas wealth out the ground. The democracy of Iran wanted to end foreign interference and control of its resources.

If the US was overthrown by a larger power that you admired and trusted, but betrayed you, and you lived under a brutal dictator supported by that power, what would you teach your children?

Not one of the hostages from the embassy was killed, because the Iranians were not inhumane. They simply wanted the dictator returned from safe harbor in the US.

Learn some history, Gunslinger.

There aren't too many folks left alive who remember the Shaw---Iran lost MILLIONS in the Iraq war....but, irregardless of how they left what they had, THIS is where they are now:

http://iranvajahan.net/cgi-bin/news.pl?l=en&y=2006&m=04&d=15&a=10

During the Iran-Iraq War, the Ayatollah Khomeini imported 500,000 small plastic keys from Taiwan. The trinkets were meant to be inspirational. After Iraq invaded in September 1980, it had quickly become clear that Iran's forces were no match for Saddam Hussein's professional, well-armed military. To compensate for their disadvantage, Khomeini sent Iranian children, some as young as twelve years old, to the front lines. There, they marched in formation across minefields toward the enemy, clearing a path with their bodies. Before every mission, one of the Taiwanese keys would be hung around each child's neck. It was supposed to open the gates to paradise for them.

At one point, however, the earthly gore became a matter of concern. "In the past," wrote the semi-official Iranian daily Ettelaat as the war raged on, "we had child-volunteers: 14-, 15-, and 16-year-olds. They went into the minefields. Their eyes saw nothing. Their ears heard nothing. And then, a few moments later, one saw clouds of dust. When the dust had settled again, there was nothing more to be seen of them. Somewhere, widely scattered in the landscape, there lay scraps of burnt flesh and pieces of bone." Such scenes would henceforth be avoided, Ettelaat assured its readers. "Before entering the minefields, the children [now] wrap themselves in blankets and they roll on the ground, so that their body parts stay together after the explosion of the mines and one can carry them to the graves."

These children who rolled to their deaths were part of the Basiji, a mass movement created by Khomeini in 1979 and militarized after the war started in order to supplement his beleaguered army.The Basij Mostazafan--or "mobilization of the oppressed"--was essentially a volunteer militia, most of whose members were not yet 18. They went enthusiastically, and by the thousands, to their own destruction. "The young men cleared the mines with their own bodies," one veteran of the Iran-Iraq War recalled in 2002 to the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine. "It was sometimes like a race. Even without the commander's orders, everyone wanted to be first."

The sacrifice of the Basiji was ghastly. And yet, today, it is a source not of national shame, but of growing pride. Since the end of hostilities against Iraq in 1988, the Basiji have grown both in numbers and influence. They have been deployed, above all, as a vice squad to enforce religious law in Iran, and their elite "special units" have been used as shock troops against anti-government forces. In both 1999 and 2003, for instance, the Basiji were used to suppress student unrest. And, last year, they formed the potent core of the political base that propelled Mahmoud Ahmadinejad-- a man who reportedly served as a Basij instructor during the Iran-Iraq War--to the presidency.

Ahmadinejad revels in his alliance with the Basiji. He regularly appears in public wearing a black-and-white Basij scarf, and, in his speeches, he routinely praises "Basij culture" and "Basij power," with which he says "Iran today makes its presence felt on the international and diplomatic stage." Ahmadinejad's ascendance on the shoulders of the Basiji means that the Iranian Revolution, launched almost three decades ago, has entered a new and disturbing phase. A younger generation of Iranians, whose worldviews were forged in the atrocities of the Iran-Iraq War, have come to power, wielding a more fervently ideological approach to politics than their predecessors. The children of the Revolution are now its leaders.

The Basiji's cult of self-destruction would be chilling in any country. In the context of the Iranian nuclear program, however, its obsession with martyrdom amounts to a lit fuse. Nowadays, Basiji are sent not into the desert, but rather into the laboratory. Basij students are encouraged to enroll in technical and scientific disciplines. According to a spokesperson for the Revolutionary Guard, the aim is to use the "technical factor" in order to augment "national security."

What exactly does that mean? Consider that, in December 2001, former Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani explained that "the use of even one nuclear bomb inside Israel will destroy everything." On the other hand, if Israel responded with its own nuclear weapons, it "will only harm the Islamic world. It is not irrational to contemplate such an eventuality." Rafsanjani thus spelled out a macabre cost-benefit analysis. It might not be possible to destroy Israel without suffering retaliation. But, for Islam, the level of damage Israel could inflict is bearable--only 100,000 or so additional martyrs for Islam.

And Rafsanjani is a member of the moderate, pragmatic wing of the Iranian Revolution; he believes that any conflict ought to have a "worthwhile" outcome. Ahmadinejad, by contrast, is predisposed toward apocalyptic thinking. In one of his first TV interviews after being elected president, he enthused: "Is there an art that is more beautiful, more divine, more eternal than the art of the martyr's death?" In September 2005, he concluded his first speech before the United Nations by imploring God to bring about the return of the Twelfth Imam. He finances a research institute in Tehran whose sole purpose is to study, and, if possible, accelerate the coming of the imam. And, at a theology conference in November 2005, he stressed, "The most important task of our Revolution is to prepare the way for the return of the Twelfth Imam."

A politics pursued in alliance with a supernatural force is necessarily unpredictable.Why should an Iranian president engage in pragmatic politics when his assumption is that, in three or four years, the savior will appear? If the messiah is coming, why compromise? That is why, up to now, Ahmadinejad has pursued confrontational policies with evident pleasure.

The history of the Basiji shows that we must expect monstrosities from the current Iranian regime. Already, what began in the early '80s with the clearing of minefields by human detonators has spread throughout the Middle East, as suicide bombing has become the terrorist tactic of choice. The motivational shows in the desert--with hired actors in the role of the hidden imam--have evolved into a showdown between a zealous Iranian president and the Western world. And the Basiji who once upon a time wandered the desert armed only with a walking stick is today working as a chemist in a uranium enrichment facility.

If the VAST majority of Iranians were killed due to retaliation for wiping Israel off the map with a nuke....Ahmadinejad and the mullahs (as well as their little version of the Hitler Youth) would be non-plussed--- the greater goals of Islam would have been met. (And they hate westerners only slightly less then Israelis)

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Nilsen
I guess everyone who has done something good once in their lifetime should forever be imune to stuff one does for the rest of their lives then.

Great logic Bronk

Hows this for not interfering. Next natural disaster the US sends no aid of any kind. Ohh wait a Min we get bs "The US didn't send enough." crap each and every time anyway. All those places want is the $ and for us to bug out. Sorry don't work that way it has been tried , aid some how doesn't go to the people who need it.

So the one time thing just don't really work now does it .
Hows your logic now.
Has your country of origin sent 1/10 the US  has sent to ALL natural disaster sights globally?
I'm guessing no.


So sit down and shut up.


Bronk

[Suave]

Originally posted by ramzey
Pakistan is Islamic country, right? Thy are our allies and they have nukes?right?

So why you generalize Iran as all Islam people?

Wow, first reply to this thread disarmed and killed the motive of the thread, and with only one sentence.

What is the japanese term for the disipline of trying to start and finish a sword duel with only one stroke?

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Bronk
Hows this for not interfering. Next natural disaster the US sends no aid of any kind. Ohh wait a Min we get bs "The US didn't send enough." crap each and every time anyway. All those places want is the $ and for us to bug out. Sorry don't work that way it has been tried , aid some how doesn't go to the people who need it.

So the one time thing just don't really work now does it .
Hows your logic now.
Has your country of origin sent 1/10 the US  has sent to ALL natural disaster sights globally?
I'm guessing no.


So sit down and shut up.


Bronk

LMAO

First of all my country has sent plenty, and give more than yours do (per capita). We also offered to help when Catrina struck so you sit down and shut up Bronk.

Have a nice day Bronk

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Debonair
1982-1988...and thats just how smart my bellybutton is.  my head really pwns

Spend more time in school.  Iraq invaded Iran which started the Iraq-Iran War that lasted a little over 8 years.  


ack-ack

[DoctorYO]

What is the japanese term for the disipline of trying to start and finish a sword duel with only one stroke?

iaijutsu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iaijutsu



 

DoctorYo

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Spend more time in school.  Iraq invaded Iran which started the Iraq-Iran War that lasted a little over 8 years.  


ack-ack

Its not that simple. True, Iraq declared war, but only after a long history of border disputes, mostly started by Iran, and  demands for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime by Iran, and secret encouragement by the US administration (Jimmy Carter, conveyed through Saudi Arabia) which was in its own dispute with the new regime in Iran (Iran Hostages).