This has always puzzled me...

[Edbert]

Originally posted by AutoPilot
The MA is nothing more than an ARCADE ARENA any more.If you want some good fighting action then spend more time in the AvA, and before you say" well there's never anyone in there" you should spend some time in the arena, eventually someone will show up and fight with you.

Not true, at least not always. I went in there the other week, was SpitV versus A5s. I upped a 190 since there was one guy on that team and three on the Brits. Headed toward the only enemy dot I saw. Figured i was dweebing badly enough when I hit 12K so i leveled out. When I got into icon range he was at 20K. I used his extreme speed "advantage" to dodge him a few times, got co-alt and co-E, made a 520 degree turnfight and was losing angles badly (duh...he was a spit) so I egressed out to about d1.5 when I was called out as a runner on open channel.

He broke off and dove to the deck over the channel. I followed but by the time I made my 180 he was out of icon range. I kept following his dot, he was very low and I was about 7K. He must have been boogying pretty well since by the time I saw an icon we were almost over England. I beagan to engage, this time with an alt advantage when two more spits showed up quite a bit higher than me. I pressed the attack thinking this is the CT and there's some chivalry here when one of them came zooming in. I broke off and ran (yeah THIS time I was running) back to France. I landed and exited while the open channel was full of cat calls and name calling.

To sumarise...I got 1.5 distance between us and I am a luftrunner yet he ran beyond icon range. Spit drivers always want their opponents to flat-turn with them and anyone who uses speed is a runner, yet I tried to continue a fight but was dragged to a gang of friends....sigh.

I figured I can see this watermelon in the MA and at least have more fun with more targets and threats. I'll try the CT/AvA again in another year and see if it still reeks.

[Furball]

Originally posted by Schatzi
My "skill" especially gunnery

errr.....

[storch]

Originally posted by Edbert
Not true, at least not always. I went in there the other week, was SpitV versus A5s. I upped a 190 since there was one guy on that team and three on the Brits. Headed toward the only enemy dot I saw. Figured i was dweebing badly enough when I hit 12K so i leveled out. When I got into icon range he was at 20K. I used his extreme speed "advantage" to dodge him a few times, got co-alt and co-E, made a 520 degree turnfight and was losing angles badly (duh...he was a spit) so I egressed out to about d1.5 when I was called out as a runner on open channel.

He broke off and dove to the deck over the channel. I followed but by the time I made my 180 he was out of icon range. I kept following his dot, he was very low and I was about 7K. He must have been boogying pretty well since by the time I saw an icon we were almost over England. I beagan to engage, this time with an alt advantage when two more spits showed up quite a bit higher than me. I pressed the attack thinking this is the CT and there's some chivalry here when one of them came zooming in. I broke off and ran (yeah THIS time I was running) back to France. I landed and exited while the open channel was full of cat calls and name calling.

To sumarise...I got 1.5 distance between us and I am a luftrunner yet he ran beyond icon range. Spit drivers always want their opponents to flat-turn with them and anyone who uses speed is a runner, yet I tried to continue a fight but was dragged to a gang of friends....sigh.

I figured I can see this watermelon in the MA and at least have more fun with more targets and threats. I'll try the CT/AvA again in another year and see if it still reeks.

the AvA is at times populated by allied players who are as timid as can be, other times you get as good as you give but on it's worst day it is infinitely better than the best MA day I've ever had, especially now.  on sunday I went into the MA for a few minutes and ran up 11 kills with three deaths in 110s or 109s and the deaths were from 4 plus spits and corsairs all with great alt advantage, even then I managed to take out at least one per death that way.  keep the MA it's not very much fun and even less of a challenge.

[Schatzi]

Originally posted by Furball
errr.....

I never said it got GOOD... i said it tripled from what it WAS!!


Hey, you lazy bum... get back from your holiday, i need something to shoot at!

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Urchin
No Krusty, I'd agree with you if I exclusively flew the Spit.  I get timid horde pilots in *every* kind of plane doing the timid halfass stuff while waiting for friends to show up and help.  I can be a 109/190 and I'll get a couple Spit 16s above me circling, waiting for more - because they are to timid to mix it up with a plane that is much less manueverable than theirs.  It is disgusting, as far as I'm concerned.  

I just want to fight, I'll fight anyone in anything as long as it is fun.  I think I've died maybe 2 or 3 times one on one this tour, and all of them were knife fighting more manueverable planes than the one I was flying.  Why?  Because I enjoy it, it is fun.

Dodging X timid sissies in whatever plane I happen to be flying is *not* fun.  And 99% of the timid sissies will lower the lance and flip down the visor if you offer them a joust... which is completely incomprehensible to me.  It makes no sense at all.

I agree, and am just like you Urch.  My guess is you were still in the Spit8.  You fly that very good.   I know you were in the middle of a couple of 2 on 1's, or 3 on 1's.   When I got you I luckily rolled a Hurricane with 50% fuel, had there been 100%, I wouldn't have gotten you.  I didn't fire in the HO, and tried to have a damn fun, and good knife fight.   <> We had a blast fighting you and Wotan.

[lazs2]

I have spent some time in the AvA...  on it's best days it is as good as the Ma but on it's worst it is far worse than the Ma.

LW or allied... no one really fights unless they are new or have a huge advantage... the skill levels are about average but there are a lot better players that are in the Ma.

Mostl... the players in the AvA are like the Ma in that they look for a way to gang.   It really is nothing special but it can be a diversion if you don't mind the limited and unfair plane sets.    Once in a great while there will be a good furball in it.

What I find is that there is one or two LW squads that play as a team in the AvA..  the numbers are so low that it gives 2-6 players who play as a team a huge advantage... they can work the guys who are basicly, singles uping at different times.   It can get old fast if you don't think the germans were cheated out of the win in WWII or that you look good in a black uniform.

lazs

[Mayhem]

The typical response to this is ....

What a big cry baby session!

So let me get this right ....

 People are upset becuase not every joe pilot out there will fly thier way so you can shoot them down then get on ch200 and badmouth them.

Waaaa!

 Sounds more like people crying becuase not every one will hand you thier butt on a platter, depriving you of your smack talking gloat time.

Oh god! The Horror! The terror!
 

[x0847Marine]

See Rule #7

[Retired]

Originally posted by Urchin
That has GOT to be the most retarded logic I've ever had the pleasure to witness.  Why on earth would you casually accept a 50% chance of getting blown up or crippled, when you won't even press an attack on a moving target.  

So why do people do it?

Because, if  you fight, you could lose.  It has nothing to do with dieing or score, in most cases.  Its about ego.  They know they can't fight (especialy if they knew you may be in the area) and they dont want to be bit.  So, they will take the 50-50 chance anyday since if they do end up losing, YOU did not bit them with skill but just luck.  So, you are not any better than them.  That keeps them huppy.

If you think I made that up, check again.  I've been in a couple of squads were after the squad ace gets killed, he and a few othe aces anounce that they will go out in a lala and HO the guy that killed them.

Retarded?  You bet.  But most people are

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by AutoPilot
You have too be a trainer to be banned first moron.

you also have to know ACM and how to fly/fight in AH to be a trainer...3 qualities you do not possess in any amount.



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