Author Topic: Atheism and the USA, followup (Read 10443 times)

Hangtime · « **Reply #180 on:** May 16, 2006, 03:09:06 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
I believe black holes exist. Can you prove that they do? You can suppose, you can draw inferences from empirical data, but you can't prove it.

My sistas a hoe. only costa yah 20 bucks ta prove it.

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Originally posted by midnight Target

I guess I belong to the Religion of the Almighty Black Hole.

she ain't all that.

Vulcan · « **Reply #181 on:** May 16, 2006, 03:46:23 AM »

Is this a good time to talk about hang's multiple personality disorder and his *cough* sister?

lukster · « **Reply #182 on:** May 16, 2006, 08:52:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
You may not have, but christianity in general is making a fairly staunch effort to force me to. Heres the hypocracy... "In god we trust", shoved down the throats of american's, in NZ its "god of nations"... try to get the words changed and the christians claim we're being 'antichristian' and picking on them. But they still want us to (falsely) worship their god.

For me, and many athiests I know, my first reaction to christians is its an excuse to hide behind. Sure there are exceptions, but very few I've ever met practise what the preach - usually its 90% preach 10% practise.

So for me its a bunch of people trying to force their beliefs down my throat, one way or another, forcing me to 'recognise' their god, trying to say they are better than me for their beliefs, and passing judgement on me on my lack of belief in their god alone (ie not my actions), then in the background their not really following those beliefs. Wouldn't that make you just a little iritated?

Wow, "In god we trust" on a buck makes you feel all that oppressed? I suspect your faith is in jeopardy.

Hangtime · « **Reply #183 on:** May 16, 2006, 12:22:31 PM »

on the other side of the coin, lukster; whats the big whup about having it removed? what threat does NOT having 'in god we trust' on cash hold for religionists?

all were talking about is de-moobification.

removing 'in god we trust' makes you feel persecuted?

lazs2 · « **Reply #184 on:** May 16, 2006, 02:47:42 PM »

I don't really care that much one way or the other but.... when it comes to something as harmless as "in god we trust" on the money..... Hell.... just put it up for a vote.

I don't really like to change things just for changes sake or to please a couple of disgruntled athiests but if the people don't want it on there.... fine with me.

I kind of like it as being "traditional" so would vote to keep it but wouldn't get all upset (maybe shake my head in amusement) if it got dumped.

lazs

Chairboy · « **Reply #185 on:** May 16, 2006, 03:20:41 PM »

Lazs, what about when 'under god' was added to the pledge of allegiance?

Nilsen · « **Reply #186 on:** May 16, 2006, 03:33:38 PM »

asking for money or a prayor never flyes with me..

mixing politics with religion never goes well..

money and god?.. dont even get them in the same thread..

im not an atheist..

im not a beliver..

im something inbetween..

does not mean im in for mixing them up..

they are separate..

yet they are all mixed up..

complex is what it all is..

debating either wihtout the other is hard..

debating either with the other is worse..

so lets all just skip it..

and agree..

that the oposite sex is what its all about.... when you break it down.. (unless you are a brokeback type person..

if you are, all the above is still valid..

huh?

lukster · « **Reply #187 on:** May 16, 2006, 04:55:12 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't really care that much one way or the other but.... when it comes to something as harmless as "in god we trust" on the money..... Hell.... just put it up for a vote.

I don't really like to change things just for changes sake or to please a couple of disgruntled athiests but if the people don't want it on there.... fine with me.

I kind of like it as being "traditional" so would vote to keep it but wouldn't get all upset (maybe shake my head in amusement) if it got dumped.

lazs

^^^^^^
what he said

SaburoS · « **Reply #188 on:** May 16, 2006, 07:36:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Absolutely: hence atheism is faith that there is no God.
That is why I am agnostic: no faith one way or the other.

Wishy-washy fence sitter!!! Bbbpppphhhhtttzzz

SaburoS · « **Reply #189 on:** May 16, 2006, 07:39:49 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
So I take it then you wouldn't mind if the term "Under God" was removed from the Pledge?
How about removing the term "In God We Trust" on our currency?

Arlo,
Care to answer or do you want to continue to avoid it?

Vulcan · « **Reply #190 on:** May 17, 2006, 03:24:06 AM »

moot · « **Reply #191 on:** May 17, 2006, 06:39:27 AM »

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Wishy-washy fence sitter

No offense, but faith will blow any which way irrationality does.
Reason is... reasoned.

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #192 on:** May 17, 2006, 06:40:49 AM »

As an atheist, I don't divulge my beliefs to too many people. I began doubting my Christian beliefs in college when I started becoming more educated. And whereas Christians do things such as helping the poor and following rules/laws because they think they will go to hell if they dont, I do the same things because I believe they are the right things to do.

I think religion is good for the common people because it gives them a moral code to follow, and gives them hope. But I'm not fond of our elected leaders being religous. I'd rather them to make rational decisions based on logic, not superstition.

moot · « **Reply #193 on:** May 17, 2006, 07:29:10 AM »

There doesn't (shouldn't) have to be any overlap between religious ideas and secular discipline in reality.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #194 on:** May 17, 2006, 07:33:15 AM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
I began doubting my Christian beliefs in college when I started becoming more educated.

Classic.