Author Topic: How can anyone in their right mind.. (Read 1398 times)

Brenjen · « **on:** May 16, 2006, 04:36:23 PM »

...see President Bush's immigration speech as racist??

I see where someone in another thread says they think it is, maybe that's why the Americans & several un-named European countries can't see eye to eye. I'm so sick of liberals & socialists I could puke.

I'll be so glad when all the hollyweird folks who claimed they would leave the United States & move to France if George Bush won, do just that. Apparently they'll all get along just dandy.

I have a friend in Malta & one from South Africa & they are cool as they can be, the South African dude is really cool. I think at some point in time I might visit South Africa. Me thinks I'll skip the germany & france part of the tour. Where's that boycott when you want to use it? I want my Freedom Toast & Curly Fries!

Don't get me wrong; I don't hate france or germany. I have a feeling we are going to need each other in a big way in the near future. I just think we should have left france in the hands of the vichy. At least then I could understand why they dislike us so much.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 16, 2006, 05:00:07 PM »

Here it is in a nut shell.

Europe+nationalism=WW1.

Europe+nationalism+Nazism=WW2

WW2=Europe in Ruins

Now it seems in many minds over there (if this board is any judge)

Nationalism=Nazism or fascism etc.

I don't agree, you can be nationalist and not a Nazi racist.

I am a unapologetic Nationalist, in my mind the US and its people come before all others because that’s what our people and tax dollars should care about first. (as it should be for the UK or Germany or Franc etc)

That does not mean I want to cook jews in ovens
That does not mean I think the white race is better
That does not mean I think the US should impose her will on other nations.
That does not mean I think the US should invade nations without being attacked first.

It means I love my country above all others, and want my country to put its people above all others, no mater where they came from in the first place.

It also means I think this nation is still the greatest on the planet.

2 entries found for Nationalism.
na•tion•al•ism P Pronunciation Key (n sh -n -l z m, n sh n -)
n.
1.   Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.
2.   The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.
3.   Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.

I see nothing evil in any of the above entries.

Hangtime · « **Reply #2 on:** May 16, 2006, 05:57:22 PM »

I was just thinking the woman that wrote that definition was a pinko.

Debonair · « **Reply #3 on:** May 17, 2006, 12:22:59 AM »

it was racist because it implies that white guys are all pansies

DiabloTX · « **Reply #4 on:** May 17, 2006, 01:38:17 AM »

I still find it funny that Cinco de Mayo is shoved down our throats. You think they celebrate the 4th of July in Mexico?

asilvia · « **Reply #5 on:** May 17, 2006, 02:48:33 AM »

Cinco-de-Mayo is just another way to drink beer without the wife ack complaining......"but dear its a nationional holiday...in Mexico"

TY Mexico!!! Wooohooo

beet1e · « **Reply #6 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:00:11 AM »

Someone needs to explain to GTO the difference between patriotism and nationalism, and maybe buy him a better dictionary. I can't do it because I'm on his ignore list, though I know he has a peekaboo from time to time!

The Oxford Dictionary defines patriot as "a person who strongly supports their country and is prepared to defend it". Patriotism is of course the noun.

Nationalism is defined as "patriotism, often to an excessive degree"

When someone believes their country is greater than all others, where "greatness" does not relate to geographical size, this is tending towards an excess of patriotism, ie. Nationalism. This unhealthy form of patriotic fervour occurred in Nazi Germany in the late 1930s. At that time, the German national anthem was sung to the words of "Deutchland, Deutchland, über alles. Uber alles in der welt!". Translated into English, this means "Germany, above all others in the world!". In addition to the language lesson, I take it that no history lesson is needed to inform the reader of how this ended up.

I am informed by someone was living in Germany c1990 that it is now illegal to sing the German national anthem to those words.

Brenjen · « **Reply #7 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:21:45 AM »

My buddy in Malta has some choice definitions of Germans, I won't post them here. He also speaks the language & several others too I might add, & he has heard them say some stuff while having a conversation in english; all the while they're thinking he can't understand german.

I have also had conversations with a german woman I knew from a website & WOW. It was like we were from two different planets, she was nice but...well I'll leave it at that. The views & beliefs they have going on across the pond makes our liberals seem normal.

I have never had the opportunity to discuss the general state of being alive on this planet with a french citizen, I have to admit, seeing the damage some nice french lads did to the war cemetary in normandy & reading "English, come & dig up your trash" painted on the memorials really put me off. It might not have put a burr under my saddle had I not seen the police & the average joe onlookers laughing about it.

It reminded me of then pres. clintons trip to normandy where he kicked over a small american flag on a grave so he could get a photo op. of himself straightening it & saluting...the photographer was just nice enough to snap the whole series instead of just the one with his lip poking out looking sad. People should have pride in their country. You can be proud & not stoop to genocide even if you are proud to the point of "nationalism".

mora · « **Reply #8 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:48:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Brenjen
It was like we were from two different planets, she was nice but...well I'll leave it at that. The views & beliefs they have going on across the pond makes our liberals seem normal.

I think I know what you mean, but they are not liberals. Americans seem to have an entirly own definition for a "liberal". Just call them leftist like everyone else.

Curval · « **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:55:52 AM »

Beet....he got that definition from the NRA web-site methinks.

Brenjen · « **Reply #10 on:** May 17, 2006, 07:34:54 PM »

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Originally posted by mora
I think I know what you mean, but they are not liberals. Americans seem to have an entirly own definition for a "liberal". Just call them leftist like everyone else.

Yeah our definition of liberal is at least two-fold; there is a meaning for fiscal liberalism & cultural/social/ideological liberalism. Take Barbara streisand for instance, she's insane. Then take the democratic political platform & that's our definition of liberal.

beet1e · « **Reply #11 on:** May 17, 2006, 07:50:09 PM »

LOL Curval!

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #12 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:04:49 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
This unhealthy form of patriotic fervour occurred in Nazi Germany in the late 1930s. At that time, the German national anthem was sung to the words of "Deutchland, Deutchland, über alles. Uber alles in der welt!". Translated into English, this means "Germany, above all others in the world!". In addition to the language lesson, I take it that no history lesson is needed to inform the reader of how this ended up.

So when one sings about Britannia ruling the waves, it's okay because it's a celebration of the domination of only 70% of the Earths surface, where the Nazis sang of total domination.

Curval · « **Reply #13 on:** May 18, 2006, 05:55:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So when one sings about Britannia ruling the waves, it's okay because it's a celebration of the domination of only 70% of the Earths surface, where the Nazis sang of total domination.

It isn't a celebratory song about dominion at all, its about having a kick arsed navy that DEFENDS against tyranny:

When Britain first at Heav'n's command
Arose from out the azure main;
This was the charter of the land,
And guardian angels sang this strain;
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never shall be slaves.
The nations not so blest as thee,
Shall in their turns to tyrants fall;
While thou shalt flourish great and free,
The dread and envy of them all.
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never shall be slaves.
Still more majestic shalt thou rise,
More dreadful from each foreign stroke;
As the loud blast that tears the skies,
Serves but to root thy native oak.
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never shall be slaves.
Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame,
All their attempts to bend thee down
Will but arouse thy generous flame;
But work their woe, and thy renown.
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never shall be slaves.
To thee belongs the rural reign;
Thy cities shall with commerce shine;
All thine shall be the subject main,
And every shore it circles thine.
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never shall be slaves.
The Muses, still with freedom found,
Shall to thy happy coast repair;
Blest Isle! With matchless beauty crowned,
And manly hearts to guide the fair.
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never shall be slaves.

Saintaw · « **Reply #14 on:** May 18, 2006, 06:29:35 AM »

So, by the action of a few *****heads that turnedup graves ... all the french are guilty.

My landlord is Italian, and is a banana... hence, all italians are bananas. i see...