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Offline john9001

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« Reply #75 on: May 20, 2006, 05:45:25 PM »
i get tired of asking this , exactly what "rights" have i lost?

and don't quote some poem from WW2, sandman.


except for security checks at airports, i live the same as i did before 9/11.


my phone records for last year might cover half a page, double spaced.
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« Reply #76 on: May 20, 2006, 06:04:36 PM »
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So you are saying that your right to privacy overides security even if it isn't being violated?


Yes. My rights override the rights of the federal guvmint ... whether you personally think it's being violated or not. Get a bloody warrant. It's not a hard thing to do unless you're part of the current administration, it seems. :D
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« Reply #77 on: May 20, 2006, 06:09:29 PM »
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Yes. My rights override the rights of the federal guvmint ... whether you personally think it's being violated or not. Get a bloody warrant. It's not a hard thing to do unless you're part of the current administration, it seems. :D


Why don't you answer the question then and explain what rights you have lost!

Let me break it down for you before you even answer.

The phone company keeps record of all the calls you make.  The fed. govt asks said phone company for these records.  The company sees the govt isn't asking for billing or personal info (henc privacy) but they are asking for raw data.  Phone company asks their inhouse lawyers if this violates privacy agreement, lawyers say no as long as personal info isn't released.  They send the HUGE amount of data to the NSA who compiles it and looks for patterns.  The NSA doesn't k now Arlo from the next guy they are just seeking patterns hence no privacy data is given hence no privacy laws are broken.  If the NSA had all that extra data it would probably slow then down vrs. help them.

So again I ask what civil rights are being broken here.  You are nothing more than a needle among a billion other needles in a global haystack that they are looking at.  Warrent?????  do we ask cops to get a warrent every time they search the fingerprint database?  No we don't, it would be a waste of time and rescources.  

and again I preface to you the fact that the phone company has the RIGHT to sell your calls PLUS your personal information if you fail to check the right box on the application reguardless of the federal govts involvment.
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« Reply #78 on: May 20, 2006, 06:50:32 PM »
Relax. You're gettin' entirely way too worked up defending the NSA and stuff. Keeping our administrations and the agencies under them honest in regards to the constitution is a good thing. Don't .... you ... think? We should and hopefully shall continue to do so. Unless we decide a nation of sheeple is a good thing.

Repeat: My rights override the rights of the government. It's good to have watchdogs watching out for us. :D
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« Reply #79 on: May 20, 2006, 09:39:04 PM »
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Relax. You're gettin' entirely way too worked up defending the NSA and stuff. Keeping our administrations and the agencies under them honest in regards to the constitution is a good thing. Don't .... you ... think? We should and hopefully shall continue to do so. Unless we decide a nation of sheeple is a good thing.

Repeat: My rights override the rights of the government. It's good to have watchdogs watching out for us. :D


Based on what you say you are naturally assuming that the govt is violating your privacy rights.
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« Reply #80 on: May 20, 2006, 09:57:59 PM »
Not really. That's like me saying based on what you're saying you automatically assume the government isn't. I'd like to think neither of us do that. :)
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« Reply #81 on: May 20, 2006, 10:24:41 PM »
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Clicked on the source link. Seems the author has a rather heated infatuation for Bush. Is there a chance that there could be something less biased? Thanks. :)


Arlo,

I think you are referring to the next letter (I believe those to be letters from readers), and he (the next guy) is the guy referring to Bush, not the gentlemen I quoted.
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« Reply #82 on: May 20, 2006, 10:51:10 PM »
Roger. Forgive. (But he sure had the hots, didn't he? ;))
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« Reply #83 on: May 20, 2006, 10:56:42 PM »
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Roger. Forgive. (Bur he sure had the hots, didn't he? ;))


heheh yeah, but whats not to love?  :D
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« Reply #84 on: May 20, 2006, 10:57:30 PM »
Eye of the beholder. I've had beer goggles so I can't speak. :D
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« Reply #85 on: May 21, 2006, 05:27:19 PM »
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Originally posted by Hap
There's been a few times during this century that gov't has somewhat turned on us.  This is one of them.  Executive branch obtaining phone records without the cooperation of the judicial and legislative branches.  It's wrong.  If USA Today has it's facts right.

I'm emailing my 2 senators and my representative to the house of representatives.  And you're right Skuzzy.  They won't get off the dime because I emailed them.  If I don't do what little I can, then I will be doing wrong.  Gotten old enough that I don't want to do wrong anymore.  

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Word I got was they ignore emails.  Gotta snailmail em if you want to make em pay attention.
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« Reply #86 on: May 21, 2006, 05:28:52 PM »
Nah, my father conducted an experiment. 30 people divided into 3 groups. 10 people called, 10 people wrote, 10 people e-mailed the same sentiments on an upcoming bill.

All 30 got the same "form letter" answer back.
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« Reply #87 on: May 21, 2006, 06:14:09 PM »
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Nah, my father conducted an experiment. 30 people divided into 3 groups. 10 people called, 10 people wrote, 10 people e-mailed the same sentiments on an upcoming bill.

All 30 got the same "form letter" answer back.


Oh... OK my bad
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« Reply #88 on: May 22, 2006, 02:30:15 AM »
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Roughly a billion cell-phone calls a day...and the feds have to get a warrant to monitor each and every one of them.

So, faced with such an immense and complicated task, the feds now have to worry about the legal stumbling blocks placed in their paths by those who insist that government security regulations are a greater threat to the nation than the designs of the terrorists.

How many bombings have you had in your home state in the last four years?  How many airplane hi-jackings?  Any buildings been the target of suicide attacks?  Deadly gases released?  Nuclear blasts leveled any of your citiies?

Of course not.  And there is a very good reason why none of those things have come to happen:  the federal government has taken off the gloves, rolled up its sleeves, and tackled the job of protecting the nation.


WOW someone actually believes this kind of crap. Tell me this, how many terorists events happened on US soil from 1992- sep. 11, 2000? How many has happened from Sep 12, 2000-current? Number should be about the same 0.

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There has never been a war in American history when the federal government didn't impose limits on individual freedoms in the name of national security...and subsequently give them back when the crisis was over. Then, as now, there were those who whined about the restrictions...despite the danger facing the nation.


What happens when this turns into the War on Poverty, War on drugs, etc? They seem to declared war on something that will never go away so does that mean the get to take freedoms away and never need to give them back once the "War" is over?

For anyone who doesn't think anything can be done it can be summed up in one word, revolution.
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« Reply #89 on: May 22, 2006, 06:35:17 AM »
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The great MSM conspiracy theory was invented by bloggers that wanted people to think their opinion was the only one that mattered. ;)



More like it was invented by people who paid attention to other sources of news besides Dan Rather. You know listen to everyone and form their own opinion. Not the normal sheep that think just because they say it on the news it must be true crowd.
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