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Offline parker00

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« on: May 23, 2006, 11:32:36 PM »
Can anyone tell me why we back Israel so much? I'm not trying to flame them or anything like that. I just don't see why this president and the ones before him put Israels security above our own. I hear about spies being caught every so many years from Israel and they have even sunk one of our ships (by accident of course) yet we still blindly support them in everything they do. We block UN resolutions against them, give them billions in aid and say we will defend them against outside attacks. Is it about religion, location or just a chance to piss off the arabs? Really it just doesn't make sense for us to care about them so much when they have never done anything for us but cause us problems and grief when we back them. Does everyone really believe that the palestinians are the only ones to blame for the current situation? Am I missing something that they have or have done for us in the past?

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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2006, 11:45:05 PM »
because it is a mitzvah to do so.  take a faith based world view out of the equation and I'll still pull for the little guy in any fight.  Little David still whips the tar out of big Goliath and the philistines (which is what the palestinians call themselves, filistini)   Israel has earned my respect and admiration for it's stubborn defense of their ancestral homeland.  the arabs completely surround them, outnumber them 5:1 and all they manage to do is enrich Israeli soil with their carcasses every time they attempt to drive them into the sea.  It should always be our national policy to remain Israel's staunch supporter, let the euros support the arabs, they're custom made for each other.
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2006, 11:47:11 PM »
Probably for economical reason....what other reason is there?
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2006, 12:05:53 AM »
I'm too drunk to reply to this, but I'm going to do it anyway.  My very first reply was incredibly racist, and against all my common sense in my drunk brain, I have deleted it.


Israel is a state set up for freedom's purposes against all religious persecution

It was exactly set up along America's guidelines, except for the fact that it already had a population and belonging (can't pick the right word) to the land it was going to.  You can't argue that the current americans belonged over the deposed Indians.
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2006, 12:19:37 AM »
There are many reasons of culture and history but the biggest one is simple:
the Israel lobby is the most powerful and well funded.
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2006, 12:23:22 AM »
Or you can just explain away anything you don't like, is succesful, and can't morally be opposed to as having a Big Lobby.


You can always do that, no matter which party.
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2006, 12:29:03 AM »
We HAVE to back Isreal. The jewish population of the US demands it, not to mention it's the moral thing to do.

If we pulled all support, it would take about 30 seconds for an all out holy war the likes of which the world has never seen and never will again.
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re: why we back Israel
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2006, 12:29:59 AM »
you'll never know:noid :noid :noid
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2006, 12:40:09 AM »
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Originally posted by rpm
We HAVE to back Isreal. The jewish population of the US demands it, not to mention it's the moral thing to do.

If we pulled all support, it would take about 30 seconds for an all out holy war the likes of which the world has never seen and never will again.


You couldn't be more wrong if you believed in the magic bullet theory.



One of the things about the world that mistifies me is the fact that all of the jewish population is not completely and hardline conservatives.  I've spent many nights trying to figure out why, but haven't come up with an answer.
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2006, 12:41:46 AM »
Israelis rarely suicide bomb the US?
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2006, 01:07:31 AM »
Israeli intelligence is one of if not the best in the world, it has to be. I am sure their intelligence work has helped us many times
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2006, 01:45:26 AM »
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Originally posted by rpm

If we pulled all support, it would take about 30 seconds for an all out holy war the likes of which the world has never seen and never will again.


I'm not so sure thats a bad thing.  But of course, I dont believe the "never will again" part.  Not by a long shot.
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2006, 02:15:01 AM »
we smell so much better then the other side....
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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2006, 02:19:33 AM »
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Originally posted by rpm
We HAVE to back Isreal. The jewish population of the US demands it, not to mention it's the moral thing to do.

If we pulled all support, it would take about 30 seconds for an all out holy war the likes of which the world has never seen and never will again.

Just for some proportions, there are a little over 5 milion Jews in the US. The illegal immigrants population in the US is estimated 12 million - about the size of the entire world wide Jewish population.

Also for the record, Jews fight "holy wars" only against other the Jews. Vs. other people it is just a normal war for land or money.

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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2006, 02:32:13 AM »
I  see the meeting Bush/Ehud Olmert today, like a preparation for the war predicted by Ezekiel, this should take place soon and mark the beginning of the end ,
   If you read the profecy below, shows clear that Persia(Iran), is going to attack Israel, pushing maybe other nations,
   Hard to belive !?
 Ezekiel predicted the restauration of the Israel, ( see bellow from Bible ,Ezekiel 25), and was right, why would he lie about this  war!
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Prophecy Against Gog
38:1 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, set your face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech [1] and Tubal, and prophesy against him 3 and say, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech [2] and Tubal. 4 And I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armor, a great host, all of them with buckler and shield, wielding swords. 5 Persia, Cush, and Put are with them.
 
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The Lord Will Restore Israel
25 “Therefore thus says the Lord God: Now I will restore the fortunes of Jacob and have mercy on the whole house of Israel, and I will be jealous for my holy name. 26 They shall forget their shame and all the treachery they have practiced against me, when they dwell securely in their land with none to make them afraid, 27 when I have brought them back from the peoples and gathered them from their enemies' lands, and through them have vindicated my holiness in the sight of many nations. 28 Then they shall know that I am the Lord their God, because I sent them into exile among the nations and then assembled them into their own land. I will leave none of them remaining among the nations anymore. 29 And I will not hide my face anymore from them, when I pour out my Spirit upon the house of Israel, declares the Lord God.”
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