Author Topic: Ram model needs changing (Read 6543 times)

Hoarach · « **on:** June 03, 2006, 10:07:13 PM »

Yes this topic has been brought up many times but tonight was just a nerve wrecking. Almost every other flight tonight I was dieing to a ram. I had guys pulling into me to ram me and I die and they fly off no damage. I didnt win one ram to add to that and I was trying to avoid them. I had to have recieved at least 15 rams tonight.

Alone tonight I was in a 38J and for 3 flights I got rammed by a zeke. I was trying to avoid it and each time a zeke pulls into me for the ram. What happens, zekes fly off like nothing happened and I died.

Flew a hog as well and what did I lose a ram to, a nik. These jap palnes if rammed should easily be taken apart as they are made of wood and not as strong as the american metal planes.

This ram model needs some serious fixing. 38 being one of the biggest fighters in the game should not be losing rams to these tiny planes. Was just neverwrecking tonight how almost every other flight I died to a ram. It wouldnt matter so much if the other pilot died as well but flying off with no damage as nothing happened and getting a free kill is irritating.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #1 on:** June 03, 2006, 10:13:16 PM »

Someone mark the calendar - Hoarach and I agree on something.

But yeah ... it's getting absurd out there. I had a Spit16 pull up into my D-Hog last week and take me out and he flew away unscathed. Sir Isaac must be rolling over in his grave.

Redd · « **Reply #2 on:** June 03, 2006, 10:23:22 PM »

The alternatives are worse.

At least when you get a collision, you know that your FE saw a collision. If I start dying because my FR didn' t see a collision , but the other guy's did , I'd be more pissed off.

Current method is the best within the limitations of internet lag.

yayyyy · « **Reply #3 on:** June 03, 2006, 10:23:23 PM »

it does seem a bit off when they pull into your belly and then it says you collided with them and then take the loss of a wing or something, but they can fly off undamaged. the only problem with the ram model is that it does not hurt both planes. other than that the ram model is perfect..............

Redd · « **Reply #4 on:** June 03, 2006, 10:32:38 PM »

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Originally posted by yayyyy
it does seem a bit off when they pull into your belly and then it says you collided with them and then take the loss of a wing or something, but they can fly off undamaged. the only problem with the ram model is that it does not hurt both planes. other than that the ram model is perfect..............

So you'd be happy to die every time a guy collides with you, even if your FE showed him missing you by 50 feet ?

HTC would need a bigger mail server to recieve all the films with people whining about how the plane clearly missed, and they shouldn have collided.

TinmanX · « **Reply #5 on:** June 03, 2006, 10:57:26 PM »

From what I understand, If a plane gets away from a ram undamaged, it's because on his computer he didn't touch you, but on yours he did.

Here's an example.

I was in a 1 on 1 with Jensk, him in a 109 and me in an LA.
He had a ton of al on me and I was trying to draw him in real close before forcing the overshoot to get him to burn off some of his E with some hard fast moves to try and get a snap.
First 3 times we did this, nothing, and he was losing E each time and it was getting to the stage where I was almost matching his E.
4th bounce coming in, I leave my evade to the last possible second, watch out of my left forward view as he goes shooting by and all of a sudden, parts are dropping off his plane and smoke is pouring out of his engine.
No noise in my cockpit, no damage to my airframe. On my screen, we came real close but did not touch.
On his screen though, we did touch, so while my computer is sending information to his saying my plane is undamaged, his is saying to mine, his plane is screwed.

The collision model works fine, it's the Internet that is screwed and until connections are faster than lightspeed, it will remain screwed.

Rino · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2006, 11:14:48 PM »

OK, I can buy the "your FE sees the ram so you get damaged" thing.
But how would you explain a headon ram? Wouldn't the other guy's FE
see the ram as well? Or does the initial rammer vaporize in the second
or so delay between connections?

killnu · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2006, 11:19:44 PM »

how bout when you get the message "xxx collided with you" and you lose parts? he flies off....

happened many a time now and down right irritating. I got rammed tonight twice in same flight...first time i got no message, lost an engine tho, he didnt fire....2nd time i got both messages and vaporized...he flew on. both were la5ns to a 38. lovely.

BluKitty · « **Reply #8 on:** June 03, 2006, 11:20:08 PM »

well there are other options.....

no damage unless both FE's show a collision.....

no damage unless guns are being used/hot....(we can't have people flying through people shooting)

Or no damage unless you've been makeing large movements with your plane.....

Personaly I'd rather see planes flying through each other on one FE than the current code.

I don't enjoy it much when I'm in the middle of a nice fight and the con D50-100 off me dies because lag shows me "pull into him", I get the kill.... but no thrill.

And I don't enjoy it when I die ethier..... But don't say there are no choices.... This is just the choice HTC made.

Redd · « **Reply #9 on:** June 03, 2006, 11:58:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Rino
OK, I can buy the "your FE sees the ram so you get damaged" thing.
But how would you explain a headon ram? Wouldn't the other guy's FE
see the ram as well? Or does the initial rammer vaporize in the second
or so delay between connections?

Explain a HO ram where one dies ? It means one guy dodged. If you're getting collisions from HO's the solution is actually pretty simple.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #10 on:** June 03, 2006, 11:59:41 PM »

If you received damage and received only "XXX has collided with you", he shot you and took damage for colliding with you.

If you received damage and received only "you have collided" = you rammed him.

If you see both messages, he sees both messages, and you both take damage.

Not every collision results in instantaneous death, or catastrophic destruction on the plane who sees the collision.

No one has yet come up with a better idea that addresses all of the issues, and until someone does (or fiber replaces all electrical connectors in PCs and telecomm gear), no one is likely too.

Souless · « **Reply #11 on:** June 03, 2006, 11:59:55 PM »

i WAS ON DEFAULT CLIMB went to get a soda came back and was toppling to ground the message said bj2229 u have collided with. Point in fact he swooped down in a P-47 and rammed me from behind yet i was default climbing out?
We both chuclked about it however i cant see how i collided with him when he dived on me and was afk.,
He took no damage and i was a smoldering torch.
I cant figure this collision model at all

Hamish · « **Reply #12 on:** June 04, 2006, 12:25:27 AM »

I might be guessing here, but maybe Net Lag(tm)?

different connection speeds... different perceptions on who is where when.

Well, that's my guess anyway.

Regards,

Roscoroo · « **Reply #13 on:** June 04, 2006, 12:42:18 AM »

yep ram model is broken ...

its true i got chi to rearend me and he flew away unhurt .. so whats up with that ... i dont want to hear lag either ... if it was me doing the rearend collision id be dead ... its a different issue then netlag ...

Hamish · « **Reply #14 on:** June 04, 2006, 12:48:39 AM »

If you can reliably repeat it... then film it multiple times and submit it to Pyro?

Regards,