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« Reply #75 on: June 17, 2006, 11:04:20 PM »
It's odd watching people flip flop between this and the global warming thread. The exact same arguments, panic and misconceptions running in both, only reversed.

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« Reply #76 on: June 17, 2006, 11:33:26 PM »
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It's odd watching people flip flop between this and the global warming thread. The exact same arguments, panic and misconceptions running in both, only reversed.


I know what you're gettin' at. And I don't know why I'm even bothering to say anything, but...

As far as I'm concerned? My position is pretty consistent. There's no panic. I'm no scientist... I have no idea how they do what they do. So when they say it's okay to put flouride in the water, and nobody dies, I'm down with it. And when they say we've got some kind of environment problem brewing, who the hell am I to second guess them?

No scientist could do what I do, and visa versa; I'll leave the science to the scientists. Makes at least a certain amount of sense, right?

It's almost a no-brainer that if civilization left science up to spectators like WhiteHawk and Brenjen, most of us probably wouldn't even be alive today.

So... no... I have absolutely no basis to question them on the flouride issue... and I'd be kidding myself if I pretended to be some kind of expert on the environment.

Do we even have any bonafide scientists here on this BBS?

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« Reply #77 on: June 17, 2006, 11:49:50 PM »
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To fight tooth decay nuke. It's been said a million times, and will be said a million more.

You still can't come up with a reason not to put it in there and simply insinuate there's some alterior motive.


I'm not saying that there is an alterior motive.

I'm thinking more along the lines of:

Who makes the decision to put something like flouride in the water and where does it end?

To fight tooth decay? Sounds good. How about to fight other things as well. Sounds like the water supply is a great way to administer medicine from the state, in certain situations.

And *thats* the answer to your "why not put it there" question.

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« Reply #78 on: June 17, 2006, 11:51:12 PM »
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It's almost a no-brainer that if civilization left science up to spectators like WhiteHawk and Brenjen, most of us probably wouldn't even be alive today.


You surely wouldn't be alive if your life was in my hands.

What did you mean by that anyway, just for clarification purposes.

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« Reply #79 on: June 17, 2006, 11:54:16 PM »
lolorz!

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« Reply #80 on: June 18, 2006, 12:03:55 AM »
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Rainwater is pure from mother nature herself.  You couldn't get better water from the streams at the top of the rockies!


Rain acctually cleans the air, like dirt, pollen,pollution, anything that is in the air. Thats why it always smells fresh after a down pour, so in actuallity its not clean water. But it will not hurt you, unless its acid rain of course.

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« Reply #81 on: June 18, 2006, 12:11:49 AM »
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I'm not saying that there is an alterior motive.

I'm thinking more along the lines of:

Who makes the decision to put something like flouride in the water and where does it end?

To fight tooth decay? Sounds good. How about to fight other things as well. Sounds like the water supply is a great way to administer medicine from the state, in certain situations.

And *thats* the answer to your "why not put it there" question.
That would apply to anything put in the water. You seem to think Flouride is different then any other "additive". I disagree.

As for what else government might put in the water... well... I think you've seen just what else they'd put in it.

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« Reply #82 on: June 18, 2006, 12:56:19 AM »
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That would apply to anything put in the water. You seem to think Flouride is different then any other "additive". I disagree.

As for what else government might put in the water... well... I think you've seen just what else they'd put in it.


It is different. The only reason it's added is to fight tooth decay. The motive is different.

Ather things that are added are added in order to make the water safe to drink, not to treat ailments that have nothing to do with drinking water.

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« Reply #83 on: June 18, 2006, 01:21:09 AM »
i thinks it is naiive to think that the same .gov that wants up to live on an all high fructose corn syrup diet is concerned about our teeth
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« Reply #84 on: June 18, 2006, 04:15:17 AM »
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My - My, you Brits had it rough. My dad was living in an army surplus tent & burning coal they picked up off the train tracks for heat & cooking when he was a kid. They had to bring water in from a filthy brown river in buckets, the river at that time had a rendering plant upriver a few miles so even after boiling the water it still stunk.
Luxury! Our family once lived in a shoe box in t'middle o t'road, had a handful of gravel fut t'breakfast, go t'work for 25 hours, and when we came home, father would cut us in t'two w' t'breadknife!

LOL - some of you will know what I'm talking about. For the rest, there's this.

Actually, I don't believe the scaremongering stories about the concomitant side effects of water fluoridation. Fluoride has been present in the British water supply since the 1960s, and I don't know of anyone whose demise can be linked to it. I have no objection to it, and have always used a fluoride toothpaste. No-one in my family has ever died of Alzheimer's.

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« Reply #85 on: June 18, 2006, 07:04:10 AM »
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Yup.

See how you rolled over Whitehawk?

That's why you've still got flouride in your tap water.

Governments count on people like you to sit there and do nothing.

Gumble, grumble , grumble.

Roll out the 'scientific research materials' proving that this , that and the other thing is destroying people , places or things.

Then do nothing.

Uh huh.


I didnt roll out those scientific materials.  I cut and paste them.  The govt got those results and sat there and did nothing.  I'll find some more.  Probably just conspiracy whackos attacking a wholesome nutritious vitamin like fluoride, but hey, thats the beuaty of free speech.   You can rattle around the info and either shoot wholes in it with logical argument techniques or find it raises good questions.  But most just ridicule the messenger.  The messenger is crazy, therefore the message is crazy.  Thats the sheep method.
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« Reply #86 on: June 18, 2006, 07:20:54 AM »
The ADA statement (above) states that fluoride is an important trace element in human nutrition, like zinc and iron, even though the FDA states that fluoride is a drug, not a mineral nutrient. It is not necessary to get a prescription from your doctor to obtain zinc or iron. Any chemist will verify that fluoride is extremely toxic, more so than lead and almost as toxic as arsenic. Now the maximum contaminant level (MCL) for lead is 0.015 ppm, and the MCL for arsenic was recently lowered to 10 ppb (parts per billion), with a goal of 0.0 ppm for both of them. Why wouldn't .07 to 1.2 ppm (parts per million ) of fluoride be harmful, and why would the ADA compare fluoride with "salt, iron, vitamins A and D, chlorine, oxygen and even water itself?"


3) How much is too much?
As little as 0.04 mg/kg of body weight per day has been proven to cause adverse health effects. Retention of 2 mg a day will produce crippling skeletal fluorosis in one's lifetime.
4) Does fluoride accumulate in the body?
Yes. Approximately half of each day's fluoride intake will be retained. This is what makes it so dangerous. "The dose makes the poison." All sides agree to the fact that healthy kidneys can eliminate only about 50% of daily fluoride intake. The rest gets stored in calcified tissues, like bones and teeth.
The National Academy Of Sciences (NAS) stated in 1977 that, for the average individual, a retention of 2 mg/day would result in crippling skeletal fluorosis after 40 years. Considering the above mentioned intake level, it is likely that skeletal fluorosis already affects many millions of people in the United States.
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« Reply #87 on: June 18, 2006, 07:35:03 AM »
::Sigh::

Beleive it or not there was once a time when the government did care about the health and welfare of the people.

The floride is fine.

As I stated earlier.
Study anything long enough and you will find out its no good for you.

Typically the problem is with exess.
Too much of ANYTHING is no good for you..Including WATER
http://www.ift.org/cms/?pid=1001309

And typically studies done with rats and other animals are done with larger doses of whatever it is they are trying to study so as they can simulate long term effects

Also like I said before.
Your probably atr greater risk simply breathing the air then drinking the water.

But there always have to be the paranoids out there.

Kinda makes you wonder why they arent afraid to get out of bed in the morning. What with all the dangerous things out there and all
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« Reply #88 on: June 18, 2006, 07:39:06 AM »
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::Sigh::

Beleive it or not there was once a time when the government did care about the health and welfare of the people.

The floride is fine.

As I stated earlier.
Study anything long enough and you will find out its no good for you.

Typically the problem is with exess.
Too much of ANYTHING is no good for you..Including WATER

And typically studies done with rats and other animals are done with larger doses of whatever it is they are trying to study so as they can simulate long term effects

Also like I said before.
Your probably atr greater risk simply breathing the air then drinking the water.

But there always have to be the paranoids out there.

Kinda makes you wonder why they arent afraid to get out of bed in the morning. What with all the dangerous things out there and all


There is a difference in acceptable and neccesary risks, like driving on the highway and breathing the air, and having understudied FDA classified drugs put in the water without properly educating the public and going throguh the proper channels to make it legal.  What makes me so mad about this is the fact that there is enough fluoirde in a tube of toothpaste to KILL a child.  Some toothpastes are marketed for children and therefore tastes and looks like candy.  This is insane, IMO.

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« Reply #89 on: June 18, 2006, 07:49:00 AM »
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There is a difference in acceptable and neccesary risks, like driving on the highway and breathing the air, and having understudied FDA classified drugs put in the water without properly educating the public and going throguh the proper channels to make it legal.  What makes me so mad about this is the fact that there is enough fluoirde in a tube of toothpaste to KILL a child.  Some toothpastes are marketed for children and therefore tastes and looks like candy.  This is insane, IMO.


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Soooo. Dont buy your kids toothpaste thast tastes like candy if your that worried about it.

Or, you can. But teach your kids its for brushing your teeth. Not eating like candy.

the Flavored toothpaste is to try to get kids to brush their teeth more often

And how many children have you heard about that died from toothpaste lately?

the number is so rediculously small that it makes it an acceptable risk.

I am curious though. Which TV show did you see allthis on that suddenly perked your concern over all this?

That is what usually starts off these bouts of paranoia.

Our own homegrown brand of terrorists AKA  ABC, NBC,CBS,FOX,CNN WKRP in Cincinati etc etc finding new and improved ways to play on our fears to get us to watch
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