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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2006, 12:59:14 AM »
I didnt like the poem nash and I dont buy into the hype it puts out.  The only time I put any of my soul into this business is when I meet and talk with  veterans who have been in combat or served in theater.   In this case Ive talked with  dozens of  soldiers and airmen who have participated in the current operations in Iraq and Afganistan and I never get any of the emotional crap from any of them.  Its all business as far as I can tell.
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2006, 01:05:44 AM »
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Originally posted by Maverick
I really don't think you would understand it any more than a person who has been blind all their life can understand the color orange. [/B]


Yeah, well maybe I would understand it if someone, anyone, could explain to me how any of those guys on that POS turf are "guarding freedom."

Because they ain't "guarding" ****.

They're trying in vain to "secure" territory.

It has nothing to do with freedom, Maverick. You were free before, and you'll be free after.... no matter the outcome.

The kid in the poem doesn't beg a rallying cry. Instead, the cry should be deep, sincere, and solemn.

And please..... use words such as "sacrifice" and "freedom" sparingly... because you're only cheapening them with the abandon you toss these words out. Reserve them for those times when it's appropriate; when it's in fact applicable.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2006, 01:13:41 AM by Nash »

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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2006, 01:19:18 AM »
Like I said you won't understand as you will never place anyone or anything like an ideal above yourself. The only cheapening I have done is to waste time trying to have a serious discussion with you. You claim I cheapen the words yet you have never served as I and many others have. So don't presume to tell me what the value of those words are when you never risk anything for anyone.
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2006, 01:37:22 AM »
"You you you ..."

Lol....

Sorry...

I am not the war, I am not freedom, I'm not the poet, I'm not the president.

So turn your laser beam on ants for all I care.

I am not your enemy. And the (mystical and non-existant) White House lawn flag planters are not your enemy either.

And you do cheapen words.... spitting them out like a broken record such as you do.

"FuhrEEEDOM!"

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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2006, 01:53:36 AM »
mav, you got it right.
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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2006, 02:10:15 AM »
Yeager, he only "got it right" if you never again use the words "sacrifice" and "freedom" because.... it turns out.... you need to have worn a uniform in order to say them.

Which of course, everyone knows, you haven't.

But if you had? You can say this stuff with complete abandon. Erhm, that is, you and guys like.... oh I don't know.... the Secretary of Defense and the rest of the deferment crowd.

They are somehow free to say "freedom."

They've somehow sacrificed enough to be able to say "sacrifice."

So I expect that these words will be stricken from your vocabulary until such time as you enlist, or Maverick says it's okay for you use them, or you get appointed to order troops into battle.

But if you fit into any of the above categories? By all means, repeat these words as long and as loud as you need to. Use them as your response to anything.... because it's your uniform-wearing right.

Say them so often that they end up meaning nothing at all.

When it comes to the Iraq war, you've made the biggest mistake, quite possibly, of your entire life.

Scratch that..... (what was I thinking?)

You've made the biggest mistake of other people's lives.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2006, 03:10:17 AM by Nash »

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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2006, 03:50:34 AM »
Nash makes some very good points, and makes them well.

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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2006, 06:09:36 AM »
Not really Beetle...he's let his opposition to a foreign president turn into blind, unreasoning hate.

He's swallowed every criticism of that president that the vitriolic left has brewed up hook, line, and sinker.

Nash find's far more wrong with that president than the mass-murdering, duplicitous former ruler of Iraq, who's multitude of victims are still being dug out of the sands of that troubled country.

He finds more virtue in Kofi Annan and the grasping liars in certain European governments who willingly violated the sanctions against Saddam in return for filthy lucre than in the man who took him down.

He has no compunction against calling Saddam's nemesis a liar for launching a war based on intelligence, most of which was gathered by the CIA and foreign intelligence agencies during a previous administration, which was perused and  believed by virtually every western power.

Beetle, Saddam is cut from the same bolt of cloth as Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini.  I'll not apologize for a president that had the guts and the will to take him down.

Nash, you can be quite charming and rational at times and concerning certain matters, but in regards to this, Nash you're a nit
« Last Edit: June 20, 2006, 06:29:17 AM by Shuckins »

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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2006, 06:37:44 AM »
Nash = the citizens kipling always wrote about.

Kipling had it right, now just as much as then.  Tommy definately sees who's jerking them around, and it's not the guy who sent them to war.

That bit Red posted is just the modern take on Kipling, and by definition Nash will never understand it.  That's the whole point Kipling made back then, and it's the point being made in that poem now.  It's the point unintentionally made by the little girl red found who is being taught to hate her protectors at far too young an age.

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"

Yea, Nash representing.  Some things never change.
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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2006, 07:27:45 AM »
BS.

BS for bagging on Nash for seeing the lack of thought that poem conveys.
BS for ASSuming that no one can understand the pain of losing a friend in battle.
BS for striking up some kind of us against them attitude.

and a great big BS is called on the "baby killer" comment. Come on....

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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2006, 07:52:30 AM »
As a former marine that served in the laughable first Gulf War (or the 4 day war as I like to call it), I have to agree with Nash and Midnight Target. This is an all volunteer military, they were not drafted, and they are not fighting some major axis power bent on world domination protecting our "freedom" and "liberty". They are fighting to protect US interests in the middle east.  

I have the utmost respect for our military men and women, and wish for all of them to return safe and sound.

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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2006, 07:56:37 AM »
"FuhrEEEDOM!"
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thats nash spitting in mavs face.

it turns out.... you need to have worn a uniform in order to say them.
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Says who?  I recognize and appreciate the freedom their sacrifice has, is and will continue to guarantee for myself directly and for you in an unbrella like fashion, just being nearby and all that.  And I support the men and women of the US armed forces directly by providing logistics, so I feel quite a bit of uniformed pride as I spend all day with folks wearing flight suits.

Honor, Sacrifce, Freedom.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2006, 08:13:57 AM by Yeager »
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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2006, 07:58:35 AM »
MT

It's not just this thread.  Nash has consistently demonstrated where he stands.

If you see yourself in either an "us" or "them" column, you're pretty much proving Kipling's point.  Thx for the confirmation.
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« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2006, 07:59:44 AM »
Aww
Saw
Dirty, nasty furriner.

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« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2006, 08:06:54 AM »
Yea, that's what I thought.





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