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Offline Warspawn

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« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2006, 06:24:14 PM »
Ah, wasn't comparing them to Brewsters.  Was just saying several pilots that faced them said they sucked at dogfighting :D  .  I should have just said that the Finns that fought them said they weren't much of a threat in a fight.

In AH though, they are definately the ride of choice when you want to stallfight, and make your hits hurt.  Like I said though, I just avoid 'em, run from them if I get their attention, or cherrypick 'em when they enter hover mode.
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« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2006, 07:49:37 PM »
Quote from Eric Brown's "Duels in the Sky" book; btw he actually flew all these aircraft; on the Sea Hurricane:

"Aerobatics were easy to execute in this maneuverable fighter, with its faily good harmony of control throughout the speed range.  The ailerons wre the lightest control, the rudder the heaviest.  Controls grew heavier with increases in speed but remained effective.  Split trailing edge flaps could be used for added maneuverability at virtually any speed, as their angle would adjust with the airflow."  (With respect to the Sea Hurricane) "... its performance was inferior to that of the RAF version".
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« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2006, 07:50:21 PM »
ok, this is from "Hurricane at War" Author - Chaz Bowyer 1974
Tom Gleave, Commander 253 Sq, Biggin Hill, 1940
To fly the Hurricane was sheer pleasure.  She had no vices, other than the stall, from which even her feathered friends were not immune.  She answered every call made on her with will, sharing with the Spitfire the joy of having the impeccably mannered Roll-Royce Merlin to attend to her every whim.  She took off without any marked swinging tantrum from which other, less well-bred types suffered.  She was unbelievably stable, and in cloud or at night, when rudder and elevator tabs were properly adjusted, she would settle down in a rut of her own making whether going up or down.  And at no time was this virtue more precious than when taking off on a pitch dark night and climbing into a coal black void.
In a dogfight the Hurricane could almost turn on her tail as her guns spat tracer, lead, and incendiary at anything that dared try to join the circle.  In pursuit she could cut corners, and only when the superior climb of the Me109 took it out of danger had she to look for other "game".  When making her own getaway, she took without complaint the quickest of flick-rolls and U-turns, and 'standing on the rudder bar' held no terrors for her or her pilot.  ... close-knit melees ensuing in which her magnificent manoeuvrability and control paid handsome dividends.

Graham Leggett, E Flight, Aston Down.   His first flight.
At take-off power the Hurricane needs a fair bit of right rudder, then, almost unexpectedly, she leaps eagerly off the grass and flies.  Unconsciously moving the stick when reaching for the undercarriage lever, I immediately have to pick up the nose and port wing --- God! these controls are sensitive!  But what a beautiful aeroplane -- instant obedience to the controls, superb view, and what power.  ....
Easing back on the stick the nose follows the horizon effortlessly -- in fact she almost flies herself and the rudder seems superfluous.  
For the next 15 minutes I have the time of my life.  Diving and climbing turns, rolling, stalling -- the Hurricane flies like the thoroughbred bird she is.  There's much to learn, but already I know the Hurricane's secret -- superb manoeuvrability

J. W. Brooks.  Manston
Once in the air with the wheels up, the Hurricane was a delight.  You didn't so much fly it as 'wear' it.  At high speeds the controls did tend to stiffen up and this was common on all aircraft.  Yet the Hurricane could still be manoeuvred quite adequately.  It was better than the Spitfire in this respect and far superior to the ME 109.  It could literally 'turn on a six-pence'

:rolleyes: yea the Hurricane isnt very manoeuvrable

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« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2006, 07:58:31 PM »
Thanks Airscrew!  Good quotes and research well done.  Most of the stuff that I'd heard wasn't as favorable as what you've posted here.  Makes me feel a bit better about 'em now!
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« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2006, 09:46:26 PM »
What we need is the Oscar to give the Hurricanes a run for their money :)
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« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2006, 09:51:51 PM »
God I love these threads.

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« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2006, 12:49:35 AM »
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God I love these threads.

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Stang, say something useful or STFU.

That is all

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« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2006, 12:55:12 AM »
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amazing  find  a plane that isnt american  and because it fly well  and in real life at the time it was  built some says it has to be wrong.

Not everything that flew good was  american,they just like to think so



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« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2006, 01:23:44 AM »
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the hurricane also used rag construction the 20mm's would push through and not detonate unless the hit something solid.  it was a well built, rugged airplane.  what it shouldn't be able to do is retain E as well as it does in this game.  it's a fantasy model like the P38s, the 110s and others I don't recall.  here's the rub the wwii guys didn't fly around with a red tag pointing to their location and the bad guy didn't have a leupold 4x12 scope to sight you in with either. :aok



Very well said Storch, I agree also the Hurri should not retain E, It's light and made of fabric. Kinda like a heavier Piper Cub with guns, The cub dosn't retain E:O
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« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2006, 01:37:57 AM »
great quote airscrew, i love readin what the real pilots had to say about the planes. I just love how the raf guys put it " She answered every call made on her with will, sharing with the Spitfire the joy of having the impeccably mannered Roll-Royce Merlin to attend to her every whim". Americans would just say "that pratt and whitney went like hell":lol . Same message just a different presentation, but either one comes in loud and clear. I love the documentarys wit the original pilots explaining the plane and how it flew, they speak with a some much passion. It just makes u want it.

rogerdee who said everything good is american??? "They just like to think so" who is they? I wont lie all my planes i fly are USN fighters wit the exception of my seaspit. BUt im not runing around sayin everything else sucks. I have flown wit alot of u british guys and never heard anythin like this. If i remember correctly ur one of them;) . The 51d is a plane that many historians say is one of the best dogfighters in history(in "real" life not in AH). Remember it was a american air frame and a british engine.

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« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2006, 01:45:33 AM »
How many of you have flown any of the planes being compared, in the situations they're being compared? How many of you can say, without any doubt, that the hurricane couldn't do what it's used for in AH?
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« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2006, 02:10:02 AM »
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Very well said Storch, I agree also the Hurri should not retain E, It's light and made of fabric. Kinda like a heavier Piper Cub with guns, The cub dosn't retain E:O

I consider Hurries poor zoomers. It is one of the few planes I feel confident to drag into a high speed dive and zoom in my P47. Most planes outzooms a P47, the hurri isn't one of them.

Do not confuse helicopter properties with E retantion. What makes it dangerous in a rope is it's ability to keep the nose up at very low speeds while you already stalled. From your cockpit it looks as if the hurri is still climbing but mostly it is you that fall down relative to it.

If you really want to make a case, run a few zoom tests and post the results.

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« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2006, 02:33:43 AM »
Interesting, it's surely convincing to read about the expressions of test pilots flying it the first time in 1935... ;-)

I'm sure it had a fairly good (steep) climb and it could turn on a dime but those are features which are made possible by its thick wing. The problem with thick wing, AFAIK, is that the aileron tends to be ineffective and its initial effect could be described as sluggish and if it is wide and less "deep". The overall effect can be poor and get even worse in high speed as the aileron remains "in shade" of the wing profile.

The thick wing is also draggy. That is why it is significantly slower than Spitfire1 even with that same 1030hp Merlin. Does anybody know the NACA profiles for Hurricane?

BTW, here is some interesting reading of the Hurricane: http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/185674-1.html

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« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2006, 04:23:05 AM »
Personally, I don't give a flying jellyfish's testicle how truely accurate all these flight models are.

As as long as the Hurricane kinda does what a Hurricane is supposed to do and a B-17 sort of behaves the way a B-17 is supposed to behave. As long as plane X outperforms plane Y in the aspects that you expect it to. As long as the Zero burns like a bucket of wet sodium. Etc etc.

As long as all that is happenning, I have a little bit of pixellated history to play with. I am provided with the planeset variety I need to fly different ways, in and against different planes.

That said, the original poster needs a slapping.

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« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2006, 07:57:57 AM »
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...As long as the Zero burns like a bucket of wet sodium. Etc etc....

 



Leave a little too much kerosene on it and watch the flaming missile leap out of the bucket and shoot across the room :D