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Offline lukster

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« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2006, 12:14:50 AM »
This young woman spoke as a private citizen at the invitation of the school. Judging by the response of the audience to her censoring, the ideal of free speech is still very much alive. I think the school and their ACLU overlord lost that round.
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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2006, 12:16:36 AM »
When all else fails, declare a victory and move on. :aok
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« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2006, 12:21:50 AM »
I wouldn't call 400 jeering students a failure. I'm betting that more than a few of them felt that liberty was trampled that day.
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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2006, 12:23:16 AM »
The fact that they all agree doesn't necessarily make them right.
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« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2006, 12:31:53 AM »
By "right" I assume you mean lawful. That brings us back to the Constitution and it's First Amendment. Where in there are you reading that one shall have freedom of speech so long as it doesn't entail mentioning your religious beliefs in a speech? What law does that speech violate exactly?


It's late, by "right" you probably meant correct. How they felt about it is more important than how you or I think they should have felt.
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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2006, 12:37:48 AM »
She didn't just mention her belief in a speech. If so, the school would not have cut her off.
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« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2006, 12:45:59 AM »
She should have been free to say whatever she wanted within the alloted time.

Make no mistake what the ACLU is all about.

"I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the State itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."

Roger Baldwin, founder of the American Civil Liberties Union.
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« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2006, 12:50:07 AM »
I dont think that if that had been a Muslim girl talking about Allah.....they wouldnt have pulled the plug on her then.

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District lawyer Bill Hoffman said the regulation allows students to talk about religion, but speeches can't cross the line into the realm of preaching.


I think thats a matter of opinion as far as what IS and what ISNT preaching.

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Administrators' decision drew jeers from the nearly 400 graduates and their families gathered for the June 15 ceremony at a Las Vegas casino.


Those 400 students and their families obviously thought it was the wrong descion.
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« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2006, 12:51:35 AM »
Baldwin led the campaign to purge the ACLU of communist party members in the 1940s. He also retired from the ACLU over 56 years ago.

He's not relevant.
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« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2006, 12:52:53 AM »
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I dont think that if that had been a Muslim girl talking about Allah.....they wouldnt have pulled the plug on her then.
 


I think Superman can beat the snot out of Spiderman.
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« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2006, 12:57:50 AM »
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I think Superman can beat the snot out of Spiderman.


Meaning? lol
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Offline lukster

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« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2006, 12:59:58 AM »
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Baldwin led the campaign to purge the ACLU of communist party members in the 1940s. He also retired from the ACLU over 56 years ago.

He's not relevant.


Based on their current campaign against religion and their stance on the second amendment I'd say they're pretty much on the same track established by their founder.

"The ACLU agrees with the Supreme Court's long-standing interpretation of the Second Amendment [as set forth in the 1939 case, U.S. v. Miller] that the individual's right to bear arms applies only to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment to the regulation of firearms."
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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2006, 01:00:31 AM »
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Meaning? lol


I'm sorry, I thought we were opening the discussion for wild speculation. :)
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« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2006, 01:04:17 AM »
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I'm sorry, I thought we were opening the discussion for wild speculation. :)


Do you honestly believe they would have pulled the plug on her if she was Muslim and speaking about Allah? Remember the cartoons? Remember the false reporting of a copy of the Koran being flushed at Gitmo? Remember the all the riots, death threats and fatwas issued because of these and similar events?

Let's not forget that Dutch film maker that was murdered.

No, they dont pull the plug on a Muslim girl. :)
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« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2006, 01:15:05 AM »
I have no idea what they would have done. Not much point in speculation. Superman rocks.

I know that if it were me, I'd pull the plug. To do otherwise is to admit defeat to the terrorists.
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