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« on: July 03, 2006, 09:50:13 AM »
Weeks of wet weather preceding Lincoln's second inauguration had caused Pennsylvania Avenue to become a sea of mud and standing water. Thousands of spectators stood in thick mud at the Capitol grounds to hear the President. As he stood on the East Portico to take the executive oath, the completed Capitol dome over the President's head was a physical reminder of the resolve of his Administration throughout the years of civil war. Chief Justice Salmon Chase administered the oath of office. In little more than a month, the President would be assassinated.

   


Fellow-Countrymen:

  AT this second appearing to take the oath of the Presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention and engrosses the energies of the nation, little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself, and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured.      1
  On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, urgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came.   2
  One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."   3
  With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.

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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2006, 11:16:45 AM »
I wonder if Lincoln was alive today, if the media would say he lied about the war...

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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2006, 11:25:15 AM »
Comparing Bush to Lincoln. :rofl
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2006, 11:27:52 AM »
Big difference as to "what counts."  Eh?  Take a peek at the Declaration.  I started a thread, "We Mutually Pledge To Each Other."

In this world of "he says, she says."  I want to follow the best "sayers."

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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2006, 11:31:04 AM »
Just for fun, do a unique word count on Lincoln's speeches...  Amazing vocabulary.  Since campaigning used to be done in large part by distributing essays on paper, those early Presidents seem to have been quite eloquent and educated in ways that should still matter, but somehow don't.

Nowadays any candidate who spoke or wrote in that fashion would be dismissed as an elitist snob, simply because they could express themselves with grace and style.

Now everyone's a lawyer and lawyers only seem to need to know enough english to get people to fork over some more money.
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2006, 12:16:25 PM »
Lincoln = the first Nazi

 All he needed was the little mustache instead of the beard with no mustache....maybe he was compensating for his later reincarnation as Adolph Hitler with that beard.:lol

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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2006, 12:24:09 PM »
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Originally posted by Sandman
Comparing Bush to Lincoln. :rofl


Well no comparsion was actually made... But rather what would the Ny Times have for a headline..


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 Lincoln Lied

An anonymous source from Lincoln's cabinet explained that he deliberately told northern soldiers that the war was for perserving the union when in fact he knew it would free the slaves. Vice president Andrew Johnson was sought to comment on the statement but told us to F**** off.  "Some 620,000 Americans have died to date in this war", claims George B. McClellan who will be running against Lincoln for president this fall.  Mr. McClellan continues by saying " the president is incompetent and he should be impeached.".  The war has not gone well for President Lincoln since he sacked General McClellan.  Since then he has rotated through a number of Generals that have not done well.  Lincoln's latest pick General Ulysses S. Grant is rumored to be a drunk and has recently lost 7000 men in one hour while attacking Cold Harbor. Soldiers under his command were so furious about the losses said they would no longer charge even if "Jesus Christ" himself order them to do so.[story continues on page 4]

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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2006, 12:29:51 PM »
Perhaps the greatest speech ever delivered by an American President...full of eloquence, insight, fervor, and compassion.

Only FDR's Four Freedoms speech comes close.

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2006, 01:13:11 PM »
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One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war.


Just what was Lincoln trying to say here?
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2006, 03:23:43 PM »
what he said, Holden.

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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2006, 03:37:04 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2006, 12:34:48 AM »
That was an informative thread.  Toad made some good arguments.  Slavery was one of the reasons for the war, but not the only one.

Lincoln said in his 2nd Inaugural Address pretty much what he had to say, seems to me.  It's a bad thing he was assassinated because he didn't want the South to suffer Reconstruction the way it turned out.  Vindictive people in his administration wanted punishment for the South, and we got it to the tune of 130 years or so worth.  Those guys sure didn't give much of a damn about God's justice, the way Lincoln was talking about.

I'm curious why you bring it up Holden McGroin.  Is slavery something we need to keep rehashing?  Or are you trying to win an argument with Toad?  I'm thinking the latter, but bear in mind because Lincoln said it during his Inaugural Address, doesn't actually prove anything concerning what caused the war.  It was a powerful speech by Lincoln.  It may have been sincere on his part.  I believe it was.  It may also have been misinterpreted by some.  

Let's say slavery was the primary cause of the war.  Are you suggesting the Confederacy was the only one culpable?





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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2006, 09:58:56 AM »
If you are going to make a speech about why you had a bloody civil war that killed untold thousands...

You might want to stress some noble reason like slavery instead of the real reason of wanting to keep the union together even tho it was a gross trampling on states rights that would forever change the meaning of the contract between the people and the federal government and give the federal government much more power that it was ever meant to have.

It would seem that the above would make more sense than  anything else in light of the fact that when the war started lincoln said on more than one ocassion that if he could keep the union together by simply allowing slavery then he would have done so.

Slavery was on it's way out.  It woulda died out in a few more decades in any case.

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These presidents were the largest contributors to the destruction of the original constitution and contract between Americans and the government.  They did more to further socialism and destroy individualism than any others.  

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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2006, 10:53:16 AM »
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Originally posted by lazs2

Slavery was on it's way out.  It woulda died out in a few more decades in any case.


Ahem... weren't most of the Jim Crow laws on the books for another century?
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2006, 12:23:02 PM »
yes sandie they most certainly were.   The war civil war did not stop them.  The civil war (and the loss by the south) was indeed the reason for them (why would you need jim crow laws if negroes had no rights anyway?)

Jim crow laws were bad for everyone as are all laws that try to "get' or "punish" one group by giving the government more power.

Allmost all modern gun control laws can be traced back to ignorant Jim Crow laws.

Slavery and discrimination are simply stupid ideas.   Stupid ideas are doomed to failure.   Forcing the issue allmost allways makes things worse (at least in the short term) and breeds biggotry.  

If there had been no civil war or if the south had won... we would not have slavery today.... we would probly have had less Jim Crow laws and a lot less backlash and biggotry and discrimination today.  We certainly would be a more free people on the whole with a less powerfull central government.

The civil war was a bad deal all around.

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