Author Topic: israel in war (Read 6248 times)

gunnss · « **Reply #165 on:** July 20, 2006, 03:24:22 AM »

Civilians who live in close proximity to insurgents/thugs, share in their guilt, in PC speak they are Enablers, just like the guy that buys drugs for an addict. If they live there in-voluntarily, they are hostages, and should be rescued, but in the words of a SEAL bud of mine, "***** to be a hostage". "Breakage" happens, no one wants it (except maybe the thugs who count on it for protection), but neither should a thug be allowed to hide using the population as cover. In medical terms, if the infection is not removed the patient dies.

I don't like it but I understand i real well.... BTDT.........
Gunns

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #166 on:** July 20, 2006, 04:19:56 AM »

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Try running that example using the actual weapons involved: using a 500lb bomb instead of a sniper rifle, you are deliberately targeting the hostages and anybody else who happens to be in a 60-80m radius as well. It is no longer their unintentional killing, due to the choice of weapon. Deliberately using a bomb can only mean you intend to kill the hostages too, ergo you too are a thug.

Okay, so ethical standards are based upon the firepower involved.

If I kill one innocent by a misdirected munition, I am ok, if I kill what 5..? am I then a thug?

The Russians pumped sleeping gas into a theater and ended up killing a few score. Not intended, but I guess that was thuggary.

Buy my measure, it was a valiant effort gone awry.

Nilsen · « **Reply #167 on:** July 20, 2006, 04:35:34 AM »

It is ok to destroy infrastructure that enables terrorist movements and operations even if it also hurts innocent civilian population?

moot · « **Reply #168 on:** July 20, 2006, 05:12:07 AM »

Some innocents dead today vs. many dead over a long period; opportunity cost.
But then who knows if the Israelian region really would manage not to get itself back into a bloody bickering rut again, even if Israel's offensive somehow perfectly satisfies all its immediate goals with no collateral damage to anything living or not.

LLv34 Jarsci · « **Reply #169 on:** July 20, 2006, 06:04:32 AM »

If US citisens would have been under bombing during WW2 I think US peoples thinking would be a little different..... Compare euro vs US thinking about similar matters in this BBS. Experiences affect point of view.

Personally my thinking goes like this:

1. why Jews had to go there in the first place anyway..? Or did all european countries just continue what Adolf did with nicer methods-> resulting all Jews kicked out of our continent..

2. well , now that theyre there they should even try to live with their neighbours. If they had acted a little more peacefully and not responded to every threat and crosseyed look with bombs and bullets, they would prolly have peace there..or not. Holocaust card has been exhausted by now as civilians are killed en masses, and look who is doing mostly the killing.

But if this situation escalates I would like to close all borders around Middle east and let them sort it out themselves.... at least we MIGHT have some peace around there for a while.. (and I dont give a rubber dog$h1t who wins...)

Eagler · « **Reply #170 on:** July 20, 2006, 06:09:36 AM »

my guess is that a very high percentage of weapons fired by Israel are laser guided

the same cannot be said for the hezaboobs fire and forget targeting

now who are the "thugs" again?

Nilsen · « **Reply #171 on:** July 20, 2006, 06:24:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
my guess is that a very high percentage of weapons fired by Israel are laser guided

the same cannot be said for the hezaboobs fire and forget targeting

now who are the "thugs" again?

Dont think the victims care about what kind of weapon kills you or destroys your life. Dont have the numbers but the death ratio of the innocent civilians in lebanon and on gaza vs. those killed in Israel is not comparable. Hezbollah will prolly gain even more support now just like the "freedom fighters" in iraq have.

Angus · « **Reply #172 on:** July 20, 2006, 07:04:04 AM »

If the Israelis wanted to kill as many civilians as possible, they wouldn't be lobbing puny 500 lbr's.....
If you have a doubt who is the thug, try this:
Israelis lob rockets at densely populated areas with little accuracy launching from crowded places.
How would Lebanon respond if Israeli fanatic groups were lobbing some 1200 missilies at Lebanese towns while the army stood idly by?
One has to reflect things a bit to get a view.

Edbert1 · « **Reply #173 on:** July 20, 2006, 07:11:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
It is ok to destroy infrastructure that enables terrorist movements and operations even if it also hurts innocent civilian population?

The civililians are themselves part of that support infrastructure, the only innocent ones are the kids, and even they are often combatants when it comes to Islamofascists.

Nilsen · « **Reply #174 on:** July 20, 2006, 07:17:06 AM »

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The civililians are themselves part of that support infrastructure, the only innocent ones are the kids, and even they are often combatants when it comes to Islamofascists.

Ok

Wall Street is a legitemate target then. Is part of the economical infrastructure of America and an "enabler" of Americas global warfare.

Israel has set the feble economy of gaza and lebanon back years. Good strategy for building a stable region with a government that may in time have been able to control its areas. Now its gotta start all over again with the already huge foreign debt that they have.

Edbert1 · « **Reply #175 on:** July 20, 2006, 07:26:10 AM »

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Wall Street is a legitemate target then. Is part of the economical infrastructure of America and an "enabler" of Americas global warfare.

You may be suprised to learn that I agree, at least intellectually. Although I'm afraid that our enemy wants to win this war more than we do, this can be witnessed by the piddly little way we are fighting it. They will stop at nothing to hurt us and we wring our hands and worry about offending folks.

Nilsen · « **Reply #176 on:** July 20, 2006, 07:31:24 AM »

That will almost always be the case. Criminals will forever have the best hand and the rest of us have to play catch-up. Its the downside to beeing the good guys, but its important to stay good to separate us from them.

Eagler · « **Reply #177 on:** July 20, 2006, 07:59:14 AM »

of course wallstreet is a target, what do you think they are going to attack our military?
they know the only way they can beat us is to have us beat ourselves
the best way to do that is to put our economy into a downward spiral, once we hit depression level, we'll implode as they laugh while watching it all on their fav news net - cnn
what do you think they were targeting on 9/11 if it wasn't wallstreet?

Nilsen · « **Reply #178 on:** July 20, 2006, 08:04:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
of course wallstreet is a target, what do you think they are gouing to attack our military?
they know the only way they can beat us is to have us beat ourselves
the best way to do that is to put our economy into a downward spiral, once we hit depression level, we'll implode as they laugh while watching it all on their fav news net - cnn
what do you think they were targeting on 9/11 if it wasn't wallstreet?

Thats settled then.. Wall Street is a legitemate target.

lazs2 · « **Reply #179 on:** July 20, 2006, 08:05:10 AM »

A building on wallstreet is not a legitimate target because it is nothing but civilians and a building

and the destruction of the building does nothing to the stock market that the destruction of any other building wouldn't do.

lazs