israel in war

[Eagler]

Originally posted by lazs2
A building on wallstreet is not a legitimate target because it is nothing but civilians and a building

and the destruction of the building does nothing to the stock market that the destruction of any other building wouldn't do.

lazs

for us or them?
any building is a target for them as long as it strike terror and fear in the hearts of the targeted country

our mistake is that we continue to think we are dealing with civilized enemy. They are savages and need to be dealt with accordingly
Israel has already figured that one out

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by lazs2
A building on wallstreet is not a legitimate target because it is nothing but civilians and a building

and the destruction of the building does nothing to the stock market that the destruction of any other building wouldn't do.

lazs

I suspect that a "good" hit on WS would be followed by some serious panic selling. The servers would prolly stay intact but trading would be closed. When it opened for business it would fall like a rock except for maybe some defence and energy stocks. The fall in stockprices and the slowing of several parts of the economy would reduce the governments income and defence budgets would follow (unless you start living even more on loans)

A powerstation on gaza is also a civilian target land will hurt civilian innocents and the local economy.

The first really bad thing i saw comming out of the region after hamas won the election was the freezing of funds to that government. Officials and police did not get their paychecks their ability to control (what little they had) was weakended. Hamas was elected in a democratic election and should have been given a longer chanse to work.... Now its all down the drain and as i said.. have to start from less than they had.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Eagler
for us or them?
any building is a target for them as long as it strike terror and fear in the hearts of the targeted country

our mistake is that we continue to think we are dealing with civilized enemy. They are savages and need to be dealt with accordingly
Israel has already figured that one out

And they are playing the "game" the way Hizbollah wants them to.

You cant play the game on their terms.

If you/we allow them to play on their terms we will be sucked in by the dark side and become siths just like Darth Vader.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by LLv34 Jarsci
If US citisens would have been under bombing during WW2 I think US peoples thinking would be a little different..... Compare euro vs US thinking about similar matters in this BBS. Experiences affect point of view.

Personally my thinking goes like this:

1. why Jews had to go there in the first place anyway..? Or did all european countries just continue what Adolf did with nicer methods-> resulting all Jews kicked out of our continent..

2.  well , now that theyre there they should even try to live with their neighbours. If they had acted a little more peacefully and not responded to every threat and crosseyed look with bombs and bullets, they would prolly have peace there..or not. Holocaust card has been exhausted by now as civilians are killed en masses, and look who is doing mostly the killing.

But if this situation escalates I would like to close all borders around Middle east and let them sort it out themselves.... at least we MIGHT have some peace around there for a while.. (and I dont give  a rubber dog$h1t who wins...)

1. A.) The Jewish people wanted to go there, the Middle East is where they came from. They're every bit as entitled to a home there as any Arab ever will be.
1. B.) Yes, Europe wanted them gone from the continent in mass numbers.

2. A.) They HAVE learned to live there. They've learned that when people try to kill you , you don't whimper and ask why they hate you, you go and kill them. Their neighbors want to EXTERMINATE them. Or have you never read the open writings of Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad,, the PLO, or the PLA? Their "neighbors" have been trying to exterminate them for DECADES, and they STILL ARE.
2. B.) They HAVE responded peacefully. Have you got ANY IDEA how many times they've practiced "restraint", especially at the request of Europe and the U.N. after one of the above mentioned groups has slipped into Israel and blown up a dozen civilians?
2. C.) The Holocaust card? Who's been playing that card anyway? The Holocaust is history, Israel is fighting for survival, and they make no bones about it. The don't need the "Holocaust card" to give them a pass on killing terrorists. Constant terrorist attacks for decades pretty much give them that pass in the eyes of anyone with common sense.

3. It doesn't surprise me you want to hole up and not give a damn about anyone else. And what will you expect when they come for you? You'll be the first one squealing for help.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Nilsen
And they are playing the "game" the way Hizbollah wants them to.

I think the correction would be:
"they are playing the game the way Iran wants them to"

as OBL attack the US to get at Saudi Arabia, we should flatten Syria and Iran to cut off the head of the terror orgs throughout the ME

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Nilsen
And they are playing the "game" the way Hizbollah wants them to.

You cant play the game on their terms.

If you/we allow them to play on their terms we will be sucked in by the dark side and become siths just like Darth Vader.

No, they aren't. Hezbollah would like for Israel to sit on their hands and take it. Which is what you'd like them to do as well.

The way some are whining about this, you'd think Israel is carpet bombing a bunch of subdivisions, hospitals, schools, and day care centers. What a crock.

By the way, the U.N. has been in southern Lebanon for decades, they were supposed to prevent Hezbollah from starting this. Boy, the U.N. sure is on the ball. Hezbollah has been launching attacks from Lebanon for decades, and it appears they have a few THOUSAND rockets in the area the U.N. was supposed to be keeping them out of.

The one thing Reagan did that I didn't like was pulling out. He should have ramped up and smashed the damned place and hunted the terrorists down when the blew the Marine barracks.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
No, they aren't. Hezbollah would like for Israel to sit on their hands and take it. Which is what you'd like them to do as well.

The way some are whining about this, you'd think Israel is carpet bombing a bunch of subdivisions, hospitals, schools, and day care centers. What a crock.

By the way, the U.N. has been in southern Lebanon for decades, they were supposed to prevent Hezbollah from starting this. Boy, the U.N. sure is on the ball. Hezbollah has been launching attacks from Lebanon for decades, and it appears they have a few THOUSAND rockets in the area the U.N. was supposed to be keeping them out of.

The one thing Reagan did that I didn't like was pulling out. He should have ramped up and smashed the damned place and hunted the terrorists down when the blew the Marine barracks.

I never said they should sit on their hands.. dont put words in my mouth. The world is not black and white Hilts. There is a HUGE difference between sitting on your hands and destroying infrastructure.

[lazs2]

nelson... suspect all you want.  You can just as easily suspect that a good hit on downtown boston would throw the stock market into a panic.  

Raising the interest rates a point sends the stock market into a panic.    

Destroying the buildings on WS would not destroy the ability of the stock market to function so your arguement is bogus.

Even damaging the ability of the stock market to function would not stop the ability of the U.S. to make war.

Your defense of the terrorists is pretty lame.

lazs

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Eagler
I think the correction would be:
"they are playing the game the way Iran wants them to"

as OBL attack the US to get at Saudi Arabia, we should flatten Syria and Iran to cut off the head of the terror orgs throughout the ME

True... Iran is backing Hizbholla, but it still means that Israel is playing "thier" game. "They" beeing those that wants to harm Israel.

[~Caligula~]

so Nilsen...what would u expect ur goverment to do if there was a group lobbing rockets at ur house, and that group had the goal of raising norvay and norvegians off the planet.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by lazs2
nelson... suspect all you want.  You can just as easily suspect that a good hit on downtown boston would throw the stock market into a panic.  

Raising the interest rates a point sends the stock market into a panic.    

Destroying the buildings on WS would not destroy the ability of the stock market to function so your arguement is bogus.

Even damaging the ability of the stock market to function would not stop the ability of the U.S. to make war.

Your defense of the terrorists is pretty lame.

lazs

I have never defended terrorists, but keep trying lazs...

I am trying to defend those stuck in the middle.. you know the "collateral damage" that is so far away from your safe dwelling.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~
so Nilsen...what would u expect ur goverment to do if there was a group lobbing rockets at ur house, and that group had the goal of raising norvay and norvegians off the planet.

Chase them down and bring them down. If you read what I have written I have supported Israels right to defend itself.

[~Caligula~]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Chase them down and bring them down. If you read what I have written I have supported Israels right to defend itself.

isn`t that what we are doing?
it`s not easy you know....not even with all the high tech we`ve got.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~
isn`t that what we are doing?
it`s not easy you know....not even with all the high tech we`ve got.

I know its hard... i cant even imagine just how hard it is.

Its the bombing of powerplants and infrastructure i am critical of, not direct action or even pinpoint ground attacks vs hizbholla positions. When the Red Cross reports here that they are running out of medicine and fuel for generators that run the medical teams something is wrong.

[lazs2]

My dwelling is safe because my people would never allow the miutemen or AB or American nazi party to rocket mexico or canada say.

I would not allow them to put the launcher in my home.    

I would condem them beheading mexicans on TV and kidnaping people.

When the jews start beheading lebonese civilians with a dull knife on TV then I will rethink my position.

For now.... I believe that they are doing the best they can with a situation that they did not cause.  I believe that they are fighting a truly barbaric and cruel enemy who wants only their complete destruction and that lebanon is harboring said enemy.

I deplore all war and all casualties.    I also realize that human nature being as it is.... there is often NO alternative.   You don't negotiate with a serial killer for instance or a child molester... it is a waste of breath and.... harmful unless you are decieveing them to buy time.

I believe that Israel is right in what they are doing and showing remarkable restraint.

What do you feel?  better yet..... how would you handle it?

lazs