Author Topic: Racism. (Read 3376 times)

Red Ant · « **Reply #60 on:** November 03, 2001, 11:10:00 AM »

Short People got no reason
Short People got no reason
Short People got no reason
To live
They got little hands
And little eyes
And they walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet
Well, I don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
Round here
Short People are just the same
As you and I
(A Fool Such As I)
All men are brothers
Until the day they die
(It's A Wonderful World)
Short People got nobody
Short People got nobody
Short People got nobody
To love
They got little baby legs
And they stand so low
You got to pick 'em up
Just to say hello
They got little cars
That got beep, beep, beep
They got little voices
Goin' peep, peep, peep
They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds
They're gonna get you every time
Well, I don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
'Round here

P.S. My wife is also Chinese.

Ta ma, MrFish, ya jew-hating bastage

Boroda · « **Reply #61 on:** November 03, 2001, 12:41:00 PM »

43 millions...

Aaah.

I wonder how anyone survived here.

Rewriting history is a good business in the West. If you'll look at the sources (but who cares if we have popular history that explains who was the bad guy), yoll find different numbers. 900 thousand in 1937-53. It is a very big number. But all the tales about umpteen millions are only the cold-war propaganda, invented in the West to justify ideological "superiority" over USSR, adopted by post-communist Russian regime in the times of "perestroyka". The number of prisoners in famous "GULAG" was comparable with the number of ethnic Japanese in concentration camps in USA.

Beautiful arguments. Hangtime and people like him were told to hate communists, because they are evil. That's all.

It's probably the main difference between Eastern and Western ideology: we were never taught to hate anyone. When movies like "Rambo" or others of that kind appeared here - people were stunned by that concentrated hatred.

I don't think that communist regimes like USSR, China or Albania are nice and encouraging, but USSR was a good place to live, and it was not an "evil empire".

Miko, I don't care who owns the trademark on "Porto"

I just want my good "Chervoniy Krymskiy". And I will call Armenian brandy "konyak". And Moldavian sparkling vine - "Shampanskoye".

BTW, how should I call vobla in English?

Red Ant · « **Reply #62 on:** November 03, 2001, 01:07:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda:
It's probably the main difference between Eastern and Western ideology: we were never taught to hate anyone. When movies like "Rambo" or others of that kind appeared here - people were stunned by that concentrated hatred.

I don't think that communist regimes like USSR, China or Albania are nice and encouraging, but USSR was a good place to live, and it was not an "evil empire".

No we werent taught to hate anyone, we were taught to hate EVERYONE

Pasha - you're kidding, right? 3.5 million in the Gulag prior to '41, 2.5 during and 5.5 in 1945-53. These numbers arent from "sources", they are from official NKVD/MVD/KGB RECORDS.

As for the USSR being a good place to live and not an "evil empire" - seems like we grew up in different countries. Even when i DID live there, and at a young age at that, i always KNEW i lived in a regime of evil. This is long before any perestroika - i left in '79. As far as I'm concerned, russian "Communism" was THE great evil of the 20th century, alongside Hitler's Germany. Mind you, these opinions were formed IN the USSR, before i was ever exposed to any "Western Propaganda". I find it very difficult to believe anyone who grew up in the USSR would come to different conlcusions, unless they grew up as part of the "Soviet Elite", and even then while they might have had a "nice life", anyone with eyes and a brain could tell that the whole thing was VERY WRONG.

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Hangtime · « **Reply #63 on:** November 03, 2001, 01:49:00 PM »

Red Ant.. can you put up a link to that old song? I've been lookin for that...

Boroda,

You labor under misconceptions inherent with language difficulties. Since I have no understanding of Russian beyond a few choice curses, I must bow to your superior linguistic skills in determining the meaning of my posts.. interpetation is your problem.

That being said; allow me to further enlighten you on my opinion of Russia, and Russians as a people. I'm amazed that considering the amount of propoganda and the incredible destruction wrought upon the Russian people by its Government, both under the Czars as well as the Soviet Union it's amazing that you folks are not the most xneophobic folks on the planet.

My expericence with folks of Russian descent in this country has always; without expection, been postive. I harbor no ill will or 'racist' views towards any people populating this planet; including Moslems, Jews, Christians, Communists without portfolio or paginsts or owners of BMW's or Toyotas.

The jurys out on Mets fans.

If you happen to think that communisim is kewl; well; wonderful for you. Be advised, that should you or a group of you get together and attempt to impose that system of beliefs on me by force you'll catch a bullet.

If yer great grandpappy's uncle's sister was a commie potato, and that makes yah proud, well again; kewl on you. Same goes fer yer daddy or his uncle targeting US Air Pirates in the Vietnam War. If I ran into his bellybutton in the bush over there 35 years agao; I woulda plugged his bellybutton with a bullet too. No hard feelings... War is hell.

The deal now is, if I ran into the guy on the street today, I'd probably be intrested to hear of his achievements, listen politely to the anecdotes of his carreer, much the same as I'd do with a WWII German or Japenses vet.... war's over.

So.. I guess the point here is, I don't give a damn what you think of Capitalists, but the fact is; we won; the commies lost; and what you were then has no bearing on what we are now.

So.. what I do have to go on in formulating an opinion on you is your current views regarding me; America, and history. I may remind you again at this point that those three things are entirely diffrent from each other and require three seperate answers..

Regarding you views on America... yer entitled to view us as idiots; woefully ambigious in foreign policy and currently carrying out an unjust war for all the wrong reasons. I'm also entitled to think yer an underinformed commie propaganda brainwashed puppet of a dead regime, but hey; thats just my opinion; I could be wrong.

Regarding History and Communisim; pal; you are freakin trapped hopelessly in the wrong decade. Psssssst... news flash for yah; Stalin was this centurys biggest Butcher, Trotsky was an affront on humanity and communisim was a freakin horrible stain on civilization.

Regarding your opinion of me... hell; I don't give a damn what you think. In fact I don't give a damn what you EVER will think. Or ever DID think. Or even if you CAN think.

Yeb Vas.

I do however get a kick outta your 'Checkov' from star trek personality.. that toejam is priceless.

As always... have a nice day.

Boroda · « **Reply #64 on:** November 03, 2001, 02:03:00 PM »

Anton, the top number of GULAG population was reached in 1940. A little over one million. No kidding. NKVD statistics. About the same number of prisoners that we have in Russia now... I think this number is a fake, but it looks more reasonable.

You left USSR because your family felt certain political pressure.
I was a son of the officer, and didn't feel any pressure at all. You can all me "soviet elite", I studied in a "special" school, etc. But I think you have to admit that majority of the Soviet people were absolutely satisfied with their life. The same "быдло" that waves red flags in the streets now and still remembers sausage for two twenty. Sausage for two twenty is their real banner.

There are unsatisfied people in every country.

As for me - I think I could live under Soviet power as good as I live now. Sorry. Now I have no guaranteed future, while in Soviet times I should have became a top-grade ITR (after MVTU), engineering elite, while now I am only a minor Academy of Science empoyee and an IT freelancer. Any position has it's benefits.

Russia is just different form the West.

BTW, did you finish reading Pelevin's book?

Boroda · « **Reply #65 on:** November 03, 2001, 02:28:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime:
[QB]Yeb Vas.

I thank you for showing respect for me by adressing me in multiple, "na vy", but I have to say that your sentence is not true.

An interesting post, I'll answer it tomorrow, sorry, have to go now.

I am happy I made you finaly quit playing "dumb yankee".

mrfish · « **Reply #66 on:** November 03, 2001, 02:53:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Red Ant:

P.S. My wife is also Chinese.

Ta ma, MrFish, ya jew-hating bastage

congratulations - except the difference is that you had to break one of the laws of your people to do it and i didn't.

"A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

Talmud, Gad. Shas. 2:2

of course some argue that passage, but it if that wasn't clear engough for you then i think the law of Sanhedrin 82a and Avoda Zarah 36b E.S which forbid any sexual contact with a nonjewish woman would apply wouldn't you?

my people don't have such laws -

juc lei ho wan bac tse -

Red Ant · « **Reply #67 on:** November 03, 2001, 03:16:00 PM »

Boroda: You are either more willfully blind than I imagined, or your provocation skills are honed to a fine razor-sharp edge

The true horror of Russian Communism can not be expressed in the numbers of deaths & misfortune, although there are examples aplenty. Btw, Boroda, in assesing Stalin's "death toll" did you include the Ukraininan Famine of the 20s? The one that Comrade Koba intentionally created and sustained, to the point of cordoning off the entire Ukraine to prevent food from coming in? Or how about the mass deportations of entire populations, packed into cattle cars with no food or sanitation, the dead tossed out at every stop? How do you think the Volga Germans feel, or the Crimean Tatars? Never mind the Chechens, we KNOW how they feel ;)Face it Pasha, the USSR was, at best, the 2d most brutal regime of the century. But that still is not the whole story.

The real lasting effect is the creation of "Homo Sovieticus", an indifferent, apathetic burocrat who is highly immoral, willing to denounce his neighbor and has forgotten what honest work means. "Sausage for 2.20" is HIS slogan, but only a part of it. His slogan is "Sausage for 2.50 at ANY price." You can't tell me you haven't seen the type every day.
In my opinion Pasha, yours is the FIRST generation in about 50 years that even has a chance to recover and make progress. I sincerely wish you luck.

Mind you, this is not about East vs West for me. Forget about the West and its problems for a minute - lets not make a moral comparison. I'm strictly talking about Russian communism being a plague on the russian (and other soviet) people, In more than one way. I would describe it as "Complete Bancrupcy" - material, moral and social. How ANYONE can see positivity in it is simply beyond me.

BTW, my family didnt leave because of "political pressure" per se. Both my parents were engineers, we were very well off by Soviet standards. My parents left because they (and I - it was my decision too) saw the HOPELESSNESS of Russian Communism, and sought to create a life of POSSIBILITY for ourselves elsewhere.

to conclude, i will quote a russian joke (анекдот ;)popular in the '70.

Brezhnev is visiting a group of Young Communists, and accidentally drops his eye-glasses. A young girl finds them and hands them to him.
"Thank you young comrade, I am indebted to you. Ask me any one favor and I will grant it!"
"Comrade Brezhnev, could you open the border for just one day?"
"Ahh you sly litte girl, you want to be alone with me!"

Tell me, does a population happy with their life make, spread and laugh at jokes like these?

Red Ant · « **Reply #68 on:** November 03, 2001, 03:27:00 PM »

MrFish, I think I stated clearly in another thread that I'm not a religious man, and have no more love for Judaism than any other organized religion. For those of us from the old USSR (and many other jews besides) being Jewish is a cutural/racial/heritage thing, and has nothing to do with religion. In my old Soviet passport, paragraph 5 clearly stated:
5)Nationality: Jewish

Regardless, I find your hatred of a whole racial group of people on the basis your experience with some individuals as distasteful as a person hating all black people because a black person had done them wrong at one point. Either example is generalization and stereotyping of the worst kind

Pongo · « **Reply #69 on:** November 03, 2001, 11:57:00 PM »

FDR and Truman are worse then stalin..
And the guy has to ask what is wrong with communism..
sad
sad
sad.

easymo · « **Reply #70 on:** November 04, 2001, 12:11:00 AM »

"Now I have no guaranteed future"

Now you sound like an American. Although the true translation into American would be. " Now I have no limit on my future. I can make of it what I will".

fd ski · « **Reply #71 on:** November 04, 2001, 01:21:00 AM »

MrFish, again, Judeism is a religion not a race or nationality.
If you believe the latter, then all i can say is "good luck".

Red Ant, I think you're judging russia using American standards. While polish communism wasn't as bad as Russian, I've experianced it first hand, and i can't agree with your blanket statements.
Just as you can't say that all Jews are evil, by the same token you can't say that all communists are murderous bastards.

The statement above will offcourse get me branded as an anti-semite and Commie, which in US is about as bad as it can get

, but it is true.

Communism had good and bad sides. Maybe more of bad then good, depends on the person making a distinction. If you believe in a democracy you'll find interesting that ex-communist are in power in virutally every eastern block country now, only short 12 years after "liberation". Those are same people who enjoy free press and speach as we do.
You might say that they were brain washed, but if so, what guarantee do we have that we haven't been ? We're all watching the same CNN.

Another thing Anton, what are your thoughts on russia as far as you go ? Do you consider yourself Russian ? American ? Isreali ?
Reason i ask is because i feel that mine and Boroda's patriotism might be putting us in different point of view therefore accounting for the different perspective.

mrfish · « **Reply #72 on:** November 04, 2001, 01:37:00 AM »

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Originally posted by fd ski:
MrFish, again, Judeism is a religion not a race or nationality.
If you believe the latter, then all i can say is "good luck".

you are very naive.

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Nash · « **Reply #73 on:** November 04, 2001, 04:54:00 AM »

Might as well define the term racism.

"1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others."

Are there racists here? Duh. Absolutely... without question. The only thing more suprising to me than seeing a sort of easy and care-free expression of it here on this board is watching these same people try and deny it. Why?

Come on... if ya got no shame about it... then why run from the term? You have your beliefs... and racism is what it is. That's why they made a word for it. And there's a concrete definition to go along with that word. It means something. Either you are it or you aren't. And some of you are. You are. So if you gotta problem with that word, that's yer own issue. The definition aint gonna change in order to comfort your conscience. And these semantic gymnastics about it may fool some folks... but... they aint fooling everyone.

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Creamo · « **Reply #74 on:** November 04, 2001, 06:07:00 AM »

I’m prejudice, does that count as racism?

So be it.

Saw a black guy wearing obvious colors on my way to work sitting at the bus stop, and I thought “What in the fuk is he doing 2 miles from my house? Get out gangbanging piece of toejam. Live in someone else’s neighborhood, and shoot someone that looks just like you without hitting our neighborhoods little kids.

Never mind, yup, I’m definitely racist.

You all can live with them and paint rainbows on your windows.

Good for you.

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