Author Topic: "new" 1944 F4u-1d Navair (Read 3424 times)

F4UDOA · « **on:** July 21, 2006, 12:34:52 PM »

The first page is almost identical to the current AH NAVAIR performance charts. Slightly better climb rate.

The second side is the differance. 367MPH at sea level and 434MPH at 20K in the "Clean" condition.

Saxman · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2006, 03:24:00 PM »

Sweet. How would this compare to the true, late-model F4U-1A we\'re wanting added?

LEADPIG · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2006, 05:15:58 PM »

What they oughto add is the F-4u-7 the one that went to the French. That would be a monster! Perked of course like 35 to 40 points

bkbandit · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2006, 11:20:21 PM »

When are we or are we ever goin to get this.

Patches1 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 22, 2006, 11:12:44 AM »

Thanks, F4UDOA! Most of us Corsair enthusiasts knew it and simply accepted the gameplay.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #5 on:** July 22, 2006, 05:10:49 PM »

Thanks guys,

That being said the F4U-1D is a very fair representation of the -1D as I cannot porvide any proof that it ever flew combat missions without pylons.

However the F4U-1A post 1944 would have performed very simliarly to the 367 at seal level and 430MPH + at 20K. The one we have is a little short on HP and minus the paddle prop it doesn't climb nearly as well.

My hope is that we get an early war June 1943 F4U-1, F4U-1D and a 1944 F4U-1A. It would be the same as the FW190F8 and FW190A8. One is a fighter and one is a fighter bomber. They are the same airplane minus the extra drag.

Then the perk price of the F4U-4/-1C won't be an issue.

bkbandit · « **Reply #6 on:** July 22, 2006, 05:41:23 PM »

i really want that f4u1a, accel is to slow on the 1 model and the speed is slow on the d model.

i figure those hard points on the d model wouldnt kill the speed, 51d got 2 hard points and it aint slow.

Saxman · « **Reply #7 on:** July 22, 2006, 06:13:56 PM »

Pony also doesn\'t have to contend with the drag of a radial engine.

bkbandit · « **Reply #8 on:** July 23, 2006, 12:48:25 AM »

yea but the corsair got 200 horse or so over the mustang. f4u1d SHOULD be able to get 200 in level flight.

I just want to see the f4u1a already.

Saxman · « **Reply #9 on:** July 23, 2006, 01:07:20 AM »

HECK yeah.

ujustdied · « **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2006, 01:08:52 AM »

hey for u f4u guys out there what was the type of f4u that that the black sheep flew in. is it the f4u1a or f4u1 or f4u1d which 1

Saxman · « **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2006, 02:02:47 AM »

I know later on they were in 1As, but I've seen a photo somewhere around here of Boyington in a -1.

Thing is, the F4U-1 and -1A are a bit tricky to differentiate because there was a pretty steady ongoing series of improvements in the -1, From what I've read, the USN/MC didn't originally note a difference in designation until LATER in the run. At either a certain BuNo or S/N I think they established that all prior Corsairs built with the bubble style canopy were -1As.

These are HYPOTHETICAL numbers, though I'm sure WW and DOA can come back with the ACTUAL ones, but let's say F4U-1 #1056 was the first produced with a bubble canopy. At this point, they were still designated as F4U-1s. However, at #1265 they decided that there were enough significant and common improvements being shared by ALL Corsairs beginning with #1056 to make for a seperate model, so they redesignated all those Corsairs ALREADY built and those still under construction as 1As. So basically, they back-dated the F4U-1A to #1056, even though they didn't actually come up with the differentiation until #1265.

Once again tho, that's what I've read about it. I'd wait for WW or DOA to have their go at it before accepting it as fact.

It gets a little more fun because as has been posted 'round here before, the F4U-1Cs weren't manufactured convenient block like the 1A and 1D. The 1Cs were drawn pretty much at random from under-construction 1A fuselages with reworked wings to mount the 20mm, so the S/Ns or BuNo for the 1Cs are sprinkled in with the 1A run.

bkbandit · « **Reply #12 on:** July 23, 2006, 03:43:05 AM »

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Originally posted by bkbandit
yea but the corsair got 200 horse or so over the mustang. f4u1d SHOULD be able to get 200 in level flight.

I just want to see the f4u1a already.

i mean 400+mph.

I want the f4u1a, but at this point ill take a anything. I watch ww2 docs and theres some many holes in the plane set and huge gaps in the gv set. This is supposed to be a "flight sim" but certain planes are out of a job wit out anythin to kill on the ground, i mean a 110 would be useless if it was a pure air to air combat game. There so many planes and gvs missing.... where r they, r they even coming. This ct is soakin up all the time, it betteer change the way i play the game.

Im bearly playing the game at this point, i havent seen anythin new in so long. Its just getting boreing, im maybe 3 days away from canceling my sub, maybe ill rejoin when ct comes, if it ever comes.

Widewing · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2006, 08:41:55 AM »

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Originally posted by ujustdied
hey for u f4u guys out there what was the type of f4u that that the black sheep flew in. is it the f4u1a or f4u1 or f4u1d which 1

VMF-214 flew the F4U-1, F4U-1A, FG-1A and F4U-1D over the course of their WWII operational history.

My regards,

Widewing

Widewing · « **Reply #14 on:** July 23, 2006, 09:00:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Saxman
I know later on they were in 1As, but I've seen a photo somewhere around here of Boyington in a -1.

Thing is, the F4U-1 and -1A are a bit tricky to differentiate because there was a pretty steady ongoing series of improvements in the -1, From what I've read, the USN/MC didn't originally note a difference in designation until LATER in the run. At either a certain BuNo or S/N I think they established that all prior Corsairs built with the bubble style canopy were -1As.

These are HYPOTHETICAL numbers, though I'm sure WW and DOA can come back with the ACTUAL ones, but let's say F4U-1 #1056 was the first produced with a bubble canopy. At this point, they were still designated as F4U-1s. However, at #1265 they decided that there were enough significant and common improvements being shared by ALL Corsairs beginning with #1056 to make for a seperate model, so they redesignated all those Corsairs ALREADY built and those still under construction as 1As. So basically, they back-dated the F4U-1A to #1056, even though they didn't actually come up with the differentiation until #1265.

Once again tho, that's what I've read about it. I'd wait for WW or DOA to have their go at it before accepting it as fact.

It gets a little more fun because as has been posted 'round here before, the F4U-1Cs weren't manufactured convenient block like the 1A and 1D. The 1Cs were drawn pretty much at random from under-construction 1A fuselages with reworked wings to mount the 20mm, so the S/Ns or BuNo for the 1Cs are sprinkled in with the 1A run.

From what I have been able to determine, the F4U-1A designation was never officially adopted by the Navy. I can trace bureau numbers as to where the improved "1A" entered production, but the type was built by Vought, Goodyear, and Brewster. That complicates things a bit. For example: The F4U-1A, FG-1A and F3A-1 were all built to the same configuration.

Here's the typical mess involved.

F4U-1A: S/Ns 17456 thru 18121; 49660 thru 50359; 55784 thru 56483

FG-1A: S/Ns 12992 thru 14685; 76139 thru 76148

F3A-1: 04515 thru 04774; 08550 thru 08797; 11067 thru 11293

F4U-1Cs consisted of 10 batches of serial numbers plucked from those assigned to the F4U-1A and the F4U-1D. Organizing these into something coherent could take all day. During the war, the Navy's serial number organization was a nightmare.

My regards,

Widewing