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Offline DAIMYO

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« Reply #90 on: November 04, 2006, 10:27:57 PM »
I never thought that the D.520, Bloch 152, Ki 43, and Yak 1 were "obscure and crappy". I guess all the books I read have been wrong about the performance and impact of these fighters in the EW..........

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« Reply #91 on: November 05, 2006, 01:16:20 AM »
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« Reply #92 on: November 05, 2006, 06:29:57 PM »
they also need some flying boats
pby catalina
b 29 super frotress
and lanks with grand slams or tall boys and carier task forces need battle ships
and need comit and volksyager and shooting star and p61 black widow and p 39 airacobra and some other ones
splitatom my website name and game name snowey couldnt fit splitatom into 8 leters
and renard landing gear looks stupid smart one
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20 against tanks
« Reply #93 on: November 05, 2006, 07:19:15 PM »
20 mm should make it easy to distroy a tank but they do digilty squat to any tank and they need shermans
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« Reply #94 on: November 06, 2006, 09:39:24 AM »
VVS

1945

IL10 (attack/bomber)
La7 (3 cannon)

1944
La7 (2 cannon)
Yak3
Yak9M
Tu2 (of 44)

1943
Pe2 (of 43)
Yak9D
Yak7
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« Reply #95 on: November 06, 2006, 07:37:53 PM »
la7 is good enough as is, all other planes have a hard time escaping as that is not fair, my self personally a pony pilot have had a hard time escaping from la7s and i had speed advantage i know wtf? la7 with three cannons would ping me to death no fair.La7 needs no improvment it should be perked as is
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« Reply #96 on: November 06, 2006, 07:37:56 PM »
Focke-Wulf Fw 200-2, "Condor"

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« Reply #97 on: November 08, 2006, 03:43:17 PM »
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la7 with three cannons would ping me to death no fair.La7 needs no improvment it should be perked as is



present La7 gives you the choice of 2 or 3 in the hanger.

Splitting them would fascilitate perkage of the 3 cannon version whilst leaving the 2 cannon as a low eny freebie.
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« Reply #98 on: November 09, 2006, 05:27:20 AM »
Personaly my vote is for the B25c, and H, the real advantage in having this plane added isnt it's performance as much as the weapons types it was capable of carrying....skip bombs, parafrags,8 forward firing .50s, in an a/c with a tail turret...drooool....sounds like a ftrs nightmare
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« Reply #99 on: November 10, 2006, 05:57:03 PM »
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Renard R.31, iirc the only belgian plane in WWII


you forgot the Fokker D.21, Fairey Fox, and fokker G.1

only ones i know about, the G.1 is supossed to be pretty good

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thats the G.1 btw, 7x 7.8mm FN Browning MGs, plus one in the rear

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« Reply #100 on: November 11, 2006, 07:34:54 AM »
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you forgot the Fokker D.21, Fairey Fox, and fokker G.1

only ones i know about, the G.1 is supossed to be pretty good

f34r t3h Luchtvaartafdeling!

thats the G.1 btw, 7x 7.8mm FN Browning MGs, plus one in the rear
Agh but are not the 3 you named of foriegn manufacture, and design, while the Renard is of Belgian manufacture, and design.

from http://www.scramble.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Renard_R31

Alfred Renard, of Stampe et Vertongen fame, designed this parasol-winged reconnaissance aircraft during the early 1930s. After the initial test flights the Belgian Air Force ordered 28 as a replacement for the ageing Breguet 19, later followed by an order for an additional six aircraft in August 1935. Production was split between the Renard factory in Evere and SABCA at Charlerois-Gosselies, but the actual distribution is unknown.

It was not an easy airplane to fly. Especially the lateral stability proved to be a problem for a lot of pilots, and several aircraft were written off, mostly because of landing accidents.

When World War II broke out, only 21 R31s were still serviceable, divided between 9/V/1 "Sioux Blue" (9 Smaldeel, Vth Group, 1st Air Regiment) and 11/VI/1 "Sioux Rouge", both based at Bierset, though their wartime bases were Wilderen and Hannut respectively.
Despite its relative powerfull engine, the aircraft was no match for the more modern outfitted Luftwaffe. By the time the Belgian armed forces capitulated on 28 May the type had flown only 54 operational sorties, but all aircraft were destroyed by then, some during aerial combat, but most on the ground during bombing raids by the Luftwaffe.

So not a single example of the only combat aircraft designed in Belgium which flew operational during the war survives today.

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« Reply #101 on: November 11, 2006, 08:41:48 AM »
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I would call the P-61 the best night fighter of the war

Its major drawback was speed; a slow airplane simply can't be a great fighter.


Best American night fighter perhaps, on some record. But yet, in Pacific it was too slow to successfully intercept Japanese night raiders and F4U/F6Fs were modified with radars to give US good enough night capability.  In actual use P-61 was found quite lacking and it was quickly replaced by other designs after the war.

On the other hand, Mosquito, He-219 and Ju-88 had the capability, equipment and success record as well to call them much better night fighters.

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« Reply #102 on: November 11, 2006, 10:06:01 AM »
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Agh but are not the 3 you named of foriegn manufacture, and design, while the Renard is of Belgian manufacture, and design.
 


Fokker was a dutch planemanufacturer...

The G1 was a good fighter (shot alot of Ju52's when germany invaded)
but only 9 were available at that time.

The fokker DXXI was deployed in a much greater number,
alot in holland, but also in finland and they saw action vs the japanese
in indonesia

btw, during the invasion of the netherlands, germany lost 1/3 of
al it transport planes ;)

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« Reply #103 on: November 11, 2006, 11:01:38 AM »
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Best American night fighter perhaps, on some record. But yet, in Pacific it was too slow to successfully intercept Japanese night raiders and F4U/F6Fs were modified with radars to give US good enough night capability.  In actual use P-61 was found quite lacking and it was quickly replaced by other designs after the war.

On the other hand, Mosquito, He-219 and Ju-88 had the capability, equipment and success record as well to call them much better night fighters.


This incorrect. Operational data for the P-61 is readily available and it disputes your assertion.

Navy night fighters were in service long before the P-61 was operational in the Pacific. In addition, the P-61 was a USAAF fighter and not assigned to protect Navy assets. P-61As entered Pacific theater combat service in the summer of 1944, operating out of Saipan.

In Europe, P-61s were very successful despite being available in only very small numbers. There was a lot of pressure from the RAF to have American units equipped with the Mosquito MK.XVII NF, and the USAAF initially seemed to agree. Previously at Eglin Field, a P-61A was tested against the Mossie MK.II NF and the conclusion was that there was little difference in performance. Northrop representatives and P-61 pilots of the 422nd NFS utterly disagreed that the Mosquito was surperior and challanged the RAF to prove their claim.

With the 422nd in near mutiny and to satisfy everyone else, a flyoff between the P-61B and a Mosquito Mk.XVII N.F. was flown in Britain by the USAAF. The P-61B was deemed the winner, much to the RAF's disbelief. With that, the AAF released the 422nd NFS for combat. The 422nd would be credited with 43 confirmed kills for no losses. These included around 12 Bf 110G-4 and Ju-88G night fighters as well as several Fw 190s. P-61s also flew a lot of night and day-time interdiction sorties against German ground units and transportation targets.

P-61s flying with the upper turret removed demonstrated excellent climb rate, getting to 20k in 8.5 minutes. The corresponding reduction in drag allowed for a max speed of about 375 mph at 20,000 feet (most of the 422nd's P-61s were -5 and -10 models and most had the power turret removed prior to being issued to the squadron). In mock combat, the P-61 could fly circles around any Mosquito, having a turn radius superior to any USAAF fighter in service at the time. In July of 1945, the P-61C entered service with turbocharged R-2800s. This model could exceed 430 mph at altitude and climb to 30,000 feet in 14.6 minutes.

P-61s remained in service alongside F-82s into the early 1950s when they were gradually replaced by the Lockheed F-94A Starfire. In Korea, the F-94s did not post a very impressive record. Grumman's F7F-3N was more effective and the Douglas F3D Skyknight was, by far, the most effective night fighter in Korea.

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« Reply #104 on: November 11, 2006, 06:49:42 PM »
there is a good (and expen$ive) book by an F3D whale driver if anyone is interested.
so far it is the only autobiographical book i've found that deals exclusively with Korean War air combat...

...darn belgian imperialists...