US judge rules wiretaps illegal

[soda72]

US judge rules wiretaps illegal

Does this ruling make you feel safer?

[Edbert1]

Originally posted by soda72

Does this ruling make you feel safer?

My feeling of personal safety does not come from the courts.

[Eagler]

another liberal judge trying to get her name in the news ...





this gives me hope:
But even if Taylor harpoons the spying program, experts said, the decision likely would be overturned by the U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals.

"Given the composition of the 6th Circuit and its previous rulings in related areas, it seems more likely to favor national security over civil liberties if that issue is squarely presented," said Carl Tobias, a law professor at the University of Richmond in Virginia. "And that's what this case is all about."

[Mickey1992]

Originally posted by soda72
Does this ruling make you feel safer?

It makes me feel more safe about an over-powering federal government listening in on the private conversations of Americans without probable cause or a search warrant.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Eagler
another liberal judge trying to get her name in the news ...

"Now, the 73-year-old matronly judge who has spent her career shunning the spotlight is back in the media glare...

Although Taylor is a liberal with Democratic roots and defended civil-rights workers in the South in the 1960s, people who know her say she will follow the law -- not her politics -- in deciding the case.

"She'll rule based on what the law requires, not on what people perceive her biases to be," Southfield lawyer Harold Pope III said last week. Pope is a former president of the National Bar Association, a prominent black lawyers' group.

"She's not going to let anything stand in the way of a proper analysis of the law and the facts," Pope said.

[FUNKED1]

Ssssssssssh don't let facts get in the way of neocon ad hominem.

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by soda72
US judge rules wiretaps illegal

Does this ruling make you feel safer?

Not with the US / Mexico border in need of nuclear tampon.

I do like that somebody can put our BS power hungry rights eating Fed Govt in check... 'the people' don't do it at the polls.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Mickey1992
It makes me feel more safe about an over-powering federal government listening in on the private conversations of Americans without probable cause or a search warrant.

How does this make you feel safer?  
What exactly would make you feel unsafe if the ferdal government listened in on your private conversation?

I'm just trying to understand how you tie the act of someone listening to one of your phone conversations to your safety.

[john9001]

i dosn't bother me , when ever i pass secrets to the enemy i talk in code.

[Gryffin]

Originally posted by Donzo
How does this make you feel safer?  
What exactly would make you feel unsafe if the ferdal government listened in on your private conversation?

I'm just trying to understand how you tie the act of someone listening to one of your phone conversations to your safety.

I thought americans valued their freedom above all else. I also thought that "freedom" in this context meant freedom from an oppressive government. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[DYNAMITE]

I'm just trying to understand how you tie the act of someone listening to one of your phone conversations to your safety.

Some of us just aren't willing to trust the government blindly... (Not saying you do, but personally I like the idea of having privacy).  And in my opinion... a little oversight vis a vis the FISA court just provides me with a little reassurance.

To paraphrase Charlton Heston, you can take my priviacy after you pry it out of my cold dead hand.

[tapakeg]

And when we get attacked again, people will scream we did not do enough to protect the country.

A sad day if you ask me.

I trust our government and want them to do all they can to protect citizens.

[Delirium]

The 'listening' will go on, regardless of how the court's decide... trust me.



Do you think the listening of code words is really new? It has been going on for years, only now the won't be able to use whatever they hear in a courtroom, that is the only difference.

[Recap]

Hrmmm you trust a gov't that outed a CIA operative because they didn't like the fact that her husband discredited their claims that Iraq was trying to aquire yellow cake..or do you mean the same gov't that claimed Iraq had WMD's.  I'd suggest maybe questioning them from time to time.   Loyalty is honorable, but blind loyalty is dangerous.

[DYNAMITE]

Tapakeg...
Under standard FISA rules, the NSA/CIA could start a wiretap immediatly and had 72 hours to bring it to FISA to get the official ok.  In addition to that... there is even a provision that allows the Federal Government to go up to 90 days with "good cause" before presenting to FISA why they are tapping a line, they would simply need to justify why it was necessary.  Now if those tools aren't good enough, i don't know what is.

If after 3 days of listening and however months of investigating in the first place they can't get approval... or if they opt for the 90 day delay and then present and can't get it... well then maybe they shouldn't be listening.  

A little oversight never hurt anybody.