OK Idea to Stop the potatods

[Furball]

Originally posted by LYNX
I'm sure there's plenty of guys that would love to take a ride in a BK's plane in the MA. Or ain't that hip ?

anyone is always welcome to join my plane if they ask first.

[Easyscor]

The horde is necessary so long as it takes more then 10 guys to assure a base capture, and the harder you make base capture, the more necessary and likely the horde.

Reduce the Town buildings back to AH1 numbers where 4 to 5 guys can take a lightly defended base and the horde becomes irrelevant with smaller groups spread over a larger area.  Put the extra buildings saved by using fewer buildings at the towns, into more zones requiring more Strat factories.

[pluck]

Originally posted by LYNX
Mars01  It seems your derisory ability truely blocks out your capacity to actually do anything about it.  As I predicted you and your ilk are just gonna piss and moan on these boards.  You will find any excuse, dumb down any suggestions........well just moan on:rolleyes:
 

lol, like you predicted.  sorry lynx, but you pretty muched asked for it, not predicted.  Lynx if you want to take a "high road" it helps not to sling poo along the way, and then retort with a "i told you so."  What are you doing to help gameplay? do you believe gameplay is just fine?  do you just go along with what anyone tells you?  You logged over 150 hours, i would like to think that even a small percentage of that was going to be devoted to imporoving gameplay.  

whats wrong with discussion? isn't that is what the BBS is for?  People have a right to agree and disagree with anything, and is better to state why you disagree with it.  no point in taking so personal, which you obviously have, and turn it into a flame fest.  

Just because games steer in certain dircetions does not mean it is for the best.  Some people just like to roll over and join the crowd, others like to stand up for themselves.  LYNX chooses to go with the crowd, change with the times.  Others of us choose to stay with and advocate what we like best, which is actually fighting.

I know you only want to hear from mars, but i agree that gameplay is not very good.  steam rollling bases, landing 15 vulch kills, and accepting wtg's from the other 5 people that did the same thing.  WTG guys, we vulched them good!  i am on a break, because i am sick of the gameplay, or lack there of.  so, like others, i have an interest the state of the game, and am not going to be told "don't post, i don't want to hear from the rest of the community."

The way i see it, if you are not part of the problem, then you are part of the solution.  There are quite a few guys who lead by example.  The simple act of not flying with the horde is an improvement in gameplay.  just gets old fighting 10 guys alone, while across the map, 10 of your guys are fighing 1.  some people like that, just like some people like mining virtual rocks in a game called EVE.

Hajo, Dan- good posts, well put, courteous and spot on.  Is a shame that the point will be flying over many heads.

[lazs2]

lynks....  What are we going to do about it?    Well....

Fester made a map that simply had a lot of close fields.. there was opportunity for everyone to play anyway they wanted... nothing stopped the hordes from forming... but..

That isn't what happened.   fights between close bases were all over the map... whenever some attention starved "look at me I killed the FH!) guy ruined one fight... people moved to another.   They were everywhere.

Never has their been such whining as done by the strat girls.... "no one will paly with us"  "everyone is doing their own thing and no one is organized on this map"  

Fester gave in (big mistake in my opinion) and moved some fields but...  it is still the best map, barring fighter town, in the whole damn series...

Soo... traditionaly and for what seems to be the most effect... we are "doing something"  

We are pointing out how stupid the whorde looks to the real players.   We are making converts.   Even you will admit that even on this board the results are that at least half the people agree that the horde is insane and unfun.

The vets are leaving... not just BK's but anyone who enjoys a good air combat game is leaving because there is so little fun fighting any more.

The same guys (with the exception of fester) who think killing a building after setting it up for the kill after a few hours of planning are the ones who make the player made maps.... it is hard work.. we don't deny that.... work no real furballer would bother with.

I could fix any map we have tho...  Move all the fields in to about the minimum that HT allows..... 3/4 of a sector and all will be well..

Do that and we will see who likes to play how.

As for training... people have "joined" my plane... they all seemed to have a good time.   Some never realized that you could fight from a disadvantage and prevail... some thought that being lower or in a slow plane meant that you automaticaly could not win.

The less opportunity for fights the less people know about fighting... we are breeding a group of AH players who don't know squat about the planes they are flying.    The only way to learn is to get into the furball and duke it out.   training won't do it and dueling won't do it.   They may help but they won't work in a big mass of twisting turning planes on the deck.

sooo  you can be part of the vets in this game or part of the squeaky voiced boy/girls begging for gunners or fighter support so that they can take down the fh'ers at the only fun fight or a deserted field.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[LYNX]

lol, like you predicted. sorry lynx, but you pretty muched asked for it, not predicted. Lynx if you want to take a "high road" it helps not to sling poo along the way, and then retort with a "i told you so." What are you doing to help gameplay? do you believe gameplay is just fine? do you just go along with what anyone tells you? You logged over 150 hours, i would like to think that even a small percentage of that was going to be devoted to imporoving gameplay.

I to do not approve of the hoard but if a mission is planed and set so be it.  That feature "mission planner" has been in the game for as long as I have played AH 1 & 2. And no I don't follow I roll with the punches.  The game has evolved, better or worse depending on your view point.  Personally I'm indifferent.  There are more players now so the newbies will go with the mission planners / Hoarders.  I do take guys up in my plane.  I'm not the greatest fighter but I fair Ok.  Not only do I show guys fighting I show them Jabo.  I also teach level CALIBRATED bombing.  I tune to channel 6 frequently but honestly some of those kids get on me wickett. >

whats wrong with discussion? isn't that is what the BBS is for? People have a right to agree and disagree with anything, and is better to state why you disagree with it. no point in taking so personal, which you obviously have, and turn it into a flame fest.

You are infact correct.  I have gone over board on Mars01.  I don't have a problem with the BK's as a squad.  Some of them actually make good threads and post great replies.   Some are just repetitive.

Just because games steer in certain dircetions does not mean it is for the best. Some people just like to roll over and join the crowd, others like to stand up for themselves. LYNX chooses to go with the crowd, change with the times. Others of us choose to stay with and advocate what we like best, which is actually fighting.

Correct I have moved on and followed the game.  We all like good fights,  good battles and some like to win a reset.  Not for the perkies as some have previously posted in the past but the enjoyment of team play.  I can't see that this game will DE-volve so I accept it as it is.


I know you only want to hear from mars, but i agree that gameplay is not very good. steam rollling bases, landing 15 vulch kills, and accepting wtg's from the other 5 people that did the same thing. WTG guys, we vulched them good! i am on a break, because i am sick of the gameplay, or lack there of. so, like others, i have an interest the state of the game, and am not going to be told "don't post, i don't want to hear from the rest of the community."

I have no problem with folk voicing their opinion, ideas, wishes what I have a problem with is repatition, side stepping, poo poo'ing and unwillingness to actually do anything about the problem.

The way i see it, if you are not part of the problem, then you are part of the solution. There are quite a few guys who lead by example. The simple act of not flying with the horde is an improvement in gameplay. just gets old fighting 10 guys alone, while across the map, 10 of your guys are fighing 1. some people like that, just like some people like mining virtual rocks in a game called EVE.

I know this will sound hollow but from this day I will try to be more of a solution, as you put it.  Keep in mind I am more a Strat player than a furballer.  I do love a good fight though.  You'll rarely see me in the hoard as it is but if my squad or a squadie is taking a base I'll stand on till we've won or been defeated.  

I do not advocate dive bombing level bombers do not advocate pork and auger, bomb and bail or side switchers saying where Cv's are.  If I suspect any dodggy dealings I simply don't get involved.  

All we need now are more folk to set the examples, take newbies for a ride but I fear you will never get ride of the hoard.  Thats the way the game is now.  You can but try to organise but some guys areliving in the past and a gazillion threads / replies won't change bugger all but actions will

[USRanger]

Cry about it.

[pluck]

lynx, i've fought you before in several circumstances.  I know you can fight and like to fight, the instance that comes to mind is i once ran across you in a temp, and was amazed that you didn't just tuck tail and run after first pass. so for me, i respect the fact that you can and will fight, and not just when you have numbers on your side.  also it is good to hear you are trying to keep people away from the the gamey aspect of the game:)

there is nothing wrong, imho, with players who play for strat...it's the thing they enjoy.  But for whatever reason, i have seen, and heard various strat/fighter squads selling themselves short.  why bother to be the best gv/fighter/bomber pilot when (generally speaking) you only attack undefended bases/defend in horde.  it's no challenge, skills are wasted, and all you get known for may not be what you deserve.  Gone are the days when squads would square off in MA.  there is no more daring/cunning captures.  no more epic battles where rivalries are formed.  its all just one big jelled horde, 10v1, afraid to die, afraid to prove anything, cherry picking, spawn campers.  this of course is from my pov.

there are plenty of older squads, with plenty of skill.  but for whatever reason many have abandoned the challenging part of the game to pursue and underuse their skills.  the game itself has not de-volved, the game has stayed the same, but gameplay has changed with increases in membership.  3 things can happen.  the vets and older squads can try to swing things back for the sake of competition, HTC can change arenas, or everything stays the same and we spend days on end swapping land and not fighting for any of it, congratulating eacher other on their vulching/camping prowress.

[lazs2]

poor us ranger.... feeling a little threatened?   come on now... how bout a hug?

It's ok.... you are still fooling people (snicker).

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[USRanger]

Threatened? HA! Not by you tards.  Fooling people? Son, are you retarded?

[Grits]

I guess you didnt get the memo Lazs, USRanger was recently promoted to Executive Vice President of the BK Fanboi Club. Part of his responsibility is heading up our BK merchandising program.

[USRanger]

The rainbow striped headbands are the big sellers thisc year.

[Grits]

LOL, good one.

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by Hajo

 They've not seen what went on 5 to 7 years ago.  Just want to point out the fact that there are different ways to play the game.  And since you pay you owe it to yourself to try them all:aok

Perhaps we could go back to an AW on GENIE model at 6$ per hour.  Which I still have on my old Amiga. Numbers would plummet as the casual gamers and kids would be gone leaving just the hard core WWII fighter fans. It would be a small community that knows everybody and ACM would again be king.

Other than that I don't see any radical changes within the current framework of the game. I would venture a guess that only a single digit percentage of people regularly read the board so anything discussed in here won't even be read by the vast majority of people who play the game.

The players themselves are different with different interests that range from 9 year old kids to at least one person that manned a anti-aircraft battery in WWII. People play for different reasons. Some for ACM, some for community, some for the "simulation" of WWII, some just for a quick game, some just to play airplane.

With all the divergent interests and ages there will be no consensus on how the game "should" be played.

What I do when I log on is dependent on what mood I'm in. I'm not tied to any particular form of slaughter. Don't do bombers though.

[hubsonfire]

Okay, now that we've all had a good time insulting people we don't know because their cartoon squad gets more attention than your cartoon squad and your cartoon noodle looks smaller by comparison, consider this.

Whatever aspect of the game you enjoy the most, what keeps your interest year after year, tomorrow, dies. Seriously, how would you view the game?

Consider a while back the "porking" threads. What the "furballers" have been experiencing slowly over a period of a few years is the same thing on a grander scale. When I look at the panicked shrieking over just a few days without ord or troops at most bases, I think that the parallel can easily be made, and one could argue that we show a decent amount of restraint, compared to many.

At some point, the same thing that us "furballing BK tards" are bemoaning, which is the loss of the gameplay we enjoyed, will happen to you. Whether it's no ord with which to bomb, no troops with which to capture things, no tanks to spawncamp with, no hangars anywhere for more than 15 minutes... it will happen to you. And someone will mock you for it, because some people are just miserable bastards who enjoy nothing more than revelling in the misery of others. Just like you guys.

[doobs]

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