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« Reply #165 on: September 07, 2006, 08:08:09 AM »
Sorry Sullie I missed the sarcasm the first time, blew through it too fast.
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Man, after seeing that number I can understand how we are just ruining your whole AH experience.


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sorry we have expanded our horizon to include every fascet of the game.
Been there done that, with the few hours I get a month I would rather fight.  That's all.

Bottom line is, it would be nice if you guys and the guys with squads like yours, helped offset the potatod problem rather than exasperate it.  That's all were asking.

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« Reply #166 on: September 07, 2006, 08:13:14 AM »
on subject

The only method of limiting mass concentrations from one field I have ever seen work is  a Zone limit.

If more than # players have spawned from a field at any time then it is full and other players must spawn from elsewhere or wait for a player to land or die or bail.

Its tough on big squads (pity choose another field)

It makes missions run from back fields or force them to be split (so apply some thought to your missions)

But it spreads game play and (tends to)balance local combat in the key areas.
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« Reply #167 on: September 07, 2006, 08:34:25 AM »
Cable when you and Frode are here long enough to even approach getting beyond the feeble strat game then this will all make sense and you will come back and laugh at how naive your posts are.  No disrespect intended.

And Lawman, I would also like to apologize, it hit me last night to see how long you've been here and I saw that you are just coming up on your first year in this game and for some reason thought you were more seasoned and should have known better.  My bad for jumping down your throat when you really don't know any better.  Again, no disrespect intended.

Reread Laz's last post.  It is spot on for a lot of the Vet crew.  You have to ask yourselves what really made you join this game.  I would feel safe in saying that it was, initially, the prospect of flying WWII airplanes in Air to Air combat.  

Then you get here and realize there is a huge learning curve and that it is going to take some practice, experience and work to really be able to start to hold your own.  

Then you realize, hey it's easy to blow cheese up and I can get good at that fast.  

Then you realize that staying in the potatod, while boring helps you survive.  

Then you see guys like myself and Laz, et-al talking about there being something more to this game.  

Then it hits you at some point you've start to plateau, your not getting any better.

At this point you either give up and relegate yourself to not thinking you can get any better so you take the scraps from the potatods,

Or

You start to put yourself in situations that force you to find your weaknesses and get better.  

If you find yourself in the latter group then all the strat in the world isn't going to satisfy you.  You've been on this game for a while, your wife, girlfriend, family are getting pissed because your wasting so much time playing a computer game.  

Your hours start to drop due to the real world, now you all you really want to do is log in when you can and fight, but alas there is no great place to fight.  The unopposed potatods rule the arena which exasperates the running timid noob problem and you get a community where most of the current vets would rather potatod than fight.

Some naive would say this is classic burnout, but then they are missing the real issue and going with the easy but incorrect answer. The real problem is, without a fighter town on the maps or maps that also foster furball fightnig there is no way for people to just log in and fight.

Spot on Tilt.  Expecting the Vets to take responsibility for the problem won't work for the obvious stated reasons.
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« Reply #168 on: September 07, 2006, 08:42:17 AM »
gameplay..  if there is the ability for good gameplay for both the newbie strat whordes and the vets then everyone will get along better...

the acrimony won't be so bitter because one type of gameplay is winning out to the destruction of the other.   people will still take jabs at each other but it will be a lot less angry.

closer fields make better gameplay.... or... better gameplay for the most people... less people complain about festers map and the FT one than any of the others.

it works.

Even the whorde is not pure evil.

a whorde is evil and should be made fun of....  Two whordes running into each other is a glorious thing.... it is a thing of beauty...

It is a furball!!!

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« Reply #169 on: September 07, 2006, 09:55:17 AM »
Well, mars, it appears to me that you also have a "mold" that everyone must fit into because you fit into it.  And you are wrong about not wanting to improve skills in all areas.  However there is a difference between improving over time and doing NOTHING BUT one thing on the false premise that I *MUST* do what someone else THINKS I should do, else I can't have fun, won't "maximize" my experience, or some such horse dung.

To listen to you and Laz, every time I'm in a fighter and faced with an opponent I either run or die; neither is true.  Sometimes I win, sometimes I don't, but I still engage.  I've been shot down by the best in the game and the worst in the game, and when that happens I try to think about what those good pilots did to gain advantage or escape that lock I thought I had on their six.  Eventually I find myself doing the same moves, so I think there's some progress there, and I didn't have to spend hours in furballs to gain some know-how or some skill.  Conversely, I have shot down the worst in the game and the best in the game.

Maybe you do something different than I, but it's my experience that it's a rare day when you get anything close to an even fight.  Usually it might start out that way, but eventually either your own countrymen or the opponent's countrymen show up and then all that superior fighter skill time investment is essentially out the window.  That's one reason I don't care to invest enormous amounts of time only to improve a skill that turns out to be less important in the overall scheme.  Like Ranger, I also like to defend airfields under attack, and if I die 20 times doing it, so what?  It's just a GAME!  I have never been one to grab two kills and go; I'd rather stay until the last bullet goes out of my guns, and if that means dying, so be it.  I'm satisfied with it, and that's all that counts.  Just as you are satisfied with what you do.

One other thing; you make a rash assumption that I choose to bomb because investing a lot of time to be proficient in fighters is "too hard."  It's not that at all.  I happen to LIKE bombers.  When I go to an air museum, that's the first thing I want to see.  Half the male members on one side of my family flew in the real ones, and there's a bit of a connection there that has nothing to do with shirking work to become something I'm not interested in.

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You have to ask yourselves what really made you join this game. I would feel safe in saying that it was, initially, the prospect of flying WWII airplanes in Air to Air combat.


might be YOUR idea of truth, but it isn't applicable to me.  I spent years flying in AW and had all the furballs I care to.  I came here looking for something better, something a little more diverse and strategic.  Who knows, I might end up like you predict and burn out; then again, I might end up as you are, a Vet of the game who is continually dissatisfied that everyone else isn't living up to "my" standard of the game.  Is one better than the other?


Ypu go right ahead and think what you want of me.  I'm still going to play as I choose to, just as I hope you do also.

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« Reply #170 on: September 07, 2006, 10:26:36 AM »
Ohh Cable you couldn't be any more of a noob.  I threw out a perspective, I did not say it was law or the end all and be all of "The way it is".  But your newbness jumped down my throat with your naive drivel.

Step back, give yourself enough time to get to know who you are talking to and fighting against before you run off and make rash naive comments.

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Well, mars, it appears to me that you also have a "mold" that everyone must fit into because you fit into it.


No I just threw out a perspective that many do go through.  I did not fit that mold, but nice assumption skills.  You definitely put the (prettythang U me) into it.  Personally I wanted to fight in fighters and I wanted to get good and even though I did play the strat game I focused on fighters 90% of the time.

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And you are wrong about not wanting to improve skills in all areas.
Where did I say that??

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However there is a difference between improving over time and doing NOTHING BUT one thing on the false premise that I *MUST* do what someone else THINKS I should do, else I can't have fun, won't "maximize" my experience, or some such horse dung.

The part in bold, where did you pull that out of?  Where did I say that was my premise??  Again reading is fundamental, comprehension is completely necessary if you are going to reply and keep your foot out of your mouth.

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To listen to you and Laz, every time I'm in a fighter and faced with an opponent I either run or die; neither is true. Sometimes I win, sometimes I don't, but I still engage.
Ahhh so here is your mold.  Did it ever occur to your jump first, think last brain, if your statement above is true that you do not fit the group of noobs that do run??  Hmmm maybe your not the only person out there LOLH :rofl.

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I've been shot down by the best in the game and the worst in the game
I'm sure you have :aok

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Maybe you do something different than I, but it's my experience that it's a rare day when you get anything close to an even fight. Usually it might start out that way, but eventually either your own countrymen or the opponent's countrymen show up and then all that superior fighter skill time investment is essentially out the window.
Ahh the true noob comes out.  "but it's my experience", that's the problem, while your entitled to your opinion, your don't have enough experience to keep your opinions from being wrong.  If you did you would know, I prefer 2 or 3 on 1.  The only good fair fights are when you are up against some one that can actually fight past the third turn and yes those are rare. :aok  Maybe when you get to the point where you can survive a 4 or 5 on 1 your experience will allow you to see this "all that superior fighter skill time investment is essentially out the window" is completely wrong and totally a noob perspective.  Just because you platued, much like I mentioned you would, doesn't mean others have not gone to the next level.  :aok

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That's one reason I don't care to invest enormous amounts of time only to improve a skill that turns out to be less important in the overall scheme.
 LOLH so tell me, how is constantly improving your ability to fight in a fighter be less important in the overall scheme in a WWII Fighter sim?  LOLHROTFF :rofl :rofl :rofl.  See that is exactly my point.  You have given up getting any better in fighters.  You said above that you can't handle anything beyond a fair fight and that when the enemy numbers outnumber you, your skills are maxed.  

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Like Ranger, I also like to defend airfields under attack, and if I die 20 times doing it, so what? It's just a GAME! I have never been one to grab two kills and go; I'd rather stay until the last bullet goes out of my guns, and if that means dying, so be it. I'm satisfied with it, and that's all that counts. Just as you are satisfied with what you do.
Ummm, it seems that is all this game has to offer these days, fly with potatod or up from capped fields.  What is your point??

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One other thing; you make a rash assumption that I choose to bomb because investing a lot of time to be proficient in fighters is "too hard." It's not that at all. I happen to LIKE bombers. When I go to an air museum, that's the first thing I want to see. Half the male members on one side of my family flew in the real ones, and there's a bit of a connection there that has nothing to do with shirking work to become something I'm not interested in.

Congrats LOL, well see where you are in 4 years...
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« Reply #171 on: September 07, 2006, 10:34:22 AM »
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might be YOUR idea of truth, but it isn't applicable to me. I spent years flying in AW and had all the furballs I care to. I came here looking for something better, something a little more diverse and strategic. Who knows, I might end up like you predict and burn out; then again, I might end up as you are, a Vet of the game who is continually dissatisfied that everyone else isn't living up to "my" standard of the game. Is one better than the other?


Umm read along here -  " I said I would feel safe in saying, initially..."  Again I did not say it was law, I did not say it was this way for every moron to come across AH.

So you are a bomber guy that was only able to get to a certain skill level in fighters.  Then why do you care what the fighter guys are talking about.  go back to your bombers and be happy.  :aok

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« Reply #172 on: September 07, 2006, 10:42:28 AM »
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So since he's in the armed forces we should all kiss his butt? It's kinda sad in a way to pull that truimp card when discussing a video game anyhow. While I deeply respect what he's doing, it has no bearing on any of this. It doesn't make him "more right" because he's in the military.:aok

PS: viper did you use to fly in the DA a lot about 8-12 months ago?



I did not say we should kiss his butt but have some respect...and yes I flew in the DA alot a year ago.
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« Reply #173 on: September 07, 2006, 04:32:47 PM »
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...and yes I flew in the DA alot a year ago.


I thought so, now I know why you're a BOP:aok
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« Reply #174 on: September 07, 2006, 04:57:23 PM »
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You have to ask yourselves what really made you join this game.  I would feel safe in saying that it was, initially, the prospect of flying WWII airplanes in Air to Air combat.  

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« Reply #175 on: September 07, 2006, 09:15:05 PM »
Mars, while we don't often take the bulk of our squad head long into the horde to bust it up, squad members will often head up in smaller numbers to see what they can make happen.  For us to up in large numbers, it has to be against, what is most generally, an unorganized mass of players who just happen to be rolling bases and you really don't see that happen very often.  The majority of the time, two blobs of players are meeting each other between the two nearest fields in furballs.  The only reason to get involved with that fight is just if you want to furball, busting it up would only cause it to move somewhere else.  You should be happy that our squad, being largest and one of the most influential, doesn't just go around organizing a rolling mass of Bish.  Instead we keep things fairly internal which also keep them organized and on a specific task.  On any other day besides Monday, I know our guys are going off looking for a fight.  Hell 100% of my sorties yesterday were in fightertown and all I flew was a Hurri mk.1 and was taking people down right and left.  So I understand where you are coming from because I also enjoy good air to air, but we differ in the view of the game and how it may of changed over the years.  And while it may say I joined the forum in mid 2004, I first played starting in 2002 so I remember how it was back then too.  Yes we are picking up new players faster than ever which obviously means the chances of running across somebody with decent skill is tougher, but it doesn't mean the a2a fight has at all vanished.
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« Reply #176 on: September 09, 2006, 05:09:19 AM »
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Ohh Cable you couldn't be any more of a noob.  I threw out a perspective, I did not say it was law or the end all and be all of "The way it is".  But your newbness jumped down my throat with your naive drivel.



You can cease the dramatics at any time; all I did was offer my opinion on my own game play and why it doesn't suit me to play as you or Laz does with an emphasis on furballing unless the bases are too far apart.  You seem very closeminded about anyone else's view - such as mine - and you try and justify your own by tossing out terms like "NOOB" and such that you think must disqualify my idea of how *I* want to play.

While it's true I haven't played as long as you have here, it doesn't mean I'm incapable of trying a few things here, a few there, with emphasis on what I like to do.  That's exactly how I play.  I get a little better at each as time goes on and I practice them.

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No I just threw out a perspective that many do go through.  I did not fit that mold, but nice assumption skills.


Well, I can only go by what you wrote, and what you wrote suggested to me that my game play was somehow faulty because I didn't go out and furball enough.  That's what I got out of it; if that's a wrong interpretation, sorry.  Your comment came on the heels of Laz's who also seemed to say that, and I took your comment as confirming his view.  Is that correct?

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Again reading is fundamental, comprehension is completely necessary if you are going to reply and keep your foot out of your mouth.


Then try making your point a little clearer... I'm a NOOB, remember?

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Ahhh so here is your mold.  Did it ever occur to your jump first, think last brain, if your statement above is true that you do not fit the group of noobs that do run??  Hmmm maybe your not the only person out there LOLH :rofl.


See, a comment like that I take to be that you consider your vast experience in this online game somehow coinciding with wisdom, something you have, and no one else with a different opinion has.  Tell me, why does it bother you so much how ANYONE else plays, to the point where you start making all these crude comments?  Did it offend you that I said it appears you have a mold others must fit in?  

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Ahh the true noob comes out.  "but it's my experience", that's the problem, while your entitled to your opinion, your don't have enough experience to keep your opinions from being wrong.


Ahhh, so here is the crux of it.  You're smarter than everyone else because you've PLAYED longer.  Okay, I get it now.  I don't know how I want to play because I haven't been here as long as you, that it?

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If you did you would know, I prefer 2 or 3 on 1.  The only good fair fights are when you are up against some one that can actually fight past the third turn and yes those are rare. :aok  Maybe when you get to the point where you can survive a 4 or 5 on 1 your experience will allow you to see this "all that superior fighter skill time investment is essentially out the window" is completely wrong and totally a noob perspective.  Just because you platued, much like I mentioned you would, doesn't mean others have not gone to the next level.  :aok


More power to you if you can survive 4 or 5 on 1.  Best I've ever done is 3 on 1, and that only once, and I didn't really enjoy that, to be honest.  For one thing, I play to relax, and frankly that kind of work requires, as I'm sure you can well attest, a great deal of focus and concentration, quick reflexes, and constantly moving eyes - all ten of them. ;)  If I played in that kind of circumstance all night long, I'd have cancelled my account long ago.  I don't need to come here and stress over a game.  So I play in a way that to me is a lot less stressful, more fun, and the guys I fly with are a great bunch.  We don't sweat how this one or that one plays, of how "NOOB" they are, or whatever; we just fly and try to have a little fun, that's all.  If we never get some amount of kill or death ratio number, who cares?


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LOLH so tell me, how is constantly improving your ability to fight in a fighter be less important in the overall scheme in a WWII Fighter sim?


It's less important than improving my gunnery skill in a bomber if bombers are what I like to fly.  AHII is NOT just a "fighter sim," it's a lot more than that.  Guy with your experience I'd figure would know that.

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LOLHROTFF :rofl :rofl :rofl.  See that is exactly my point.  You have given up getting any better in fighters.  You said above that you can't handle anything beyond a fair fight and that when the enemy numbers outnumber you, your skills are maxed.


I didn't say that; I haven't given up doing anything.  What I said is that I'm not willing to give up parts of the game I like better only to focus on building ONE skill to some kind of supreme level.  Let's just say for purpose of discussion I graduated the Mars School of Dogfighting Excellence, and as a graduate I had the skill to routinely handle 4:1 dogfights or whatever.  What good is that going to do me except in the rare cases I fly fighters to dogfight?  What I think you're going to tell me - and I could be wrong - is that once I achieved this level of proficiency I wouldn't want to do anything else except dogfight.  Well, I would disagree.  I spent a lot of time back in the AW days playing full realism arena and I was pretty good, had consistent high rankings and did fly fighters a lot, but then I got tired of it.  It wasn't a challenge any more, even flying not so hot planes, and it certainly wasn't fun anymore.

That has a lot to do with why I don't want to limit my own gameplay into just one area of focus, whether that means I'd get better faster or sooner or whatever.


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Ummm, it seems that is all this game has to offer these days, fly with potatod or up from capped fields.  What is your point??


My point is that I don't view the game that way.  I'll just go find something else to do that's fun or challenging to me if the conditions aren't very good for what I planned.  You know, I can always go drive a tank somewhere, or bomb a CV or take a good hi-alt bird up and see if I can shoot down some bombers.  Anything that's good fun to me.

 
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Congrats LOL, well see where you are in 4 years...


Yes, we will.  My hope is to still be here playing in a way that's fun for me, whatever that happens to entail.  What I don't want to do is end up like a lot of guys who've played for a long time and complain constantly and belittle anyone who doesn't think like them.

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« Reply #177 on: September 09, 2006, 08:07:38 AM »
Would somebody for the love of all that is good and holy PLEASE close this thread?
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« Reply #178 on: September 09, 2006, 08:18:21 AM »
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So since he's in the armed forces we should all kiss his butt?


we should all kiss mars' butt because he has a Pitts and if you are a good kisser he might give you a ride in it.

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« Reply #179 on: September 09, 2006, 08:20:23 AM »
****, just noticed mars got PNG.

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