HT, Donut map FT

[Dichotomy]

I'm going to show my noobness here and say I thought it was kind of a gentlemens rule to leave FT alone as far as land grab.  If that's so taking it was pretty bogus in my humble opinion.

Look I don't care how other people play but I do see both points of view between the furballers and the hoardes.  My preference is air combat with somewhat matched planes and learning how to fly and fight well enough to earn the respect of other 'pilots'.   I'm happy to go along with a base capture if the knights have one going and there's some decent air targets to play with.  

Let the groundpounders have their fun but if there are some unwritten rules of conduct those should be respected and adhered to by ALL parties.  That's in my NOT so humble opinion.

[Guppy35]

And again, your words speak volumes Kweassa.

We're both clearly looking at the game differently.  My wishful thinking is clearly just that, as your way it also clearly the way it is.

To you it's war, to me it's a game.  In a war anything goes.  In a game you can expect a bit more of the players.

[mars01]

Why do you need to take FT Kwessa and Lyel??

As many have said it has no strategic value.

You say the furballers should defend it, WTF furballers are there to furball not defend FT from aholes that cant find any fun with the rest of the map.

Just like it sucks when people defending other bases asks for help to all the guys in FT to come down and help defend bases

Again what you are saying is, I want them to play my game or I will take their game away and force them into my game.  Pathetic!

You guys just can't stand it, when given the option most people would rather fight in FT than play your win the war balony.


That is exactly how your game has changed HT.

[Kweassa]

To you it's war, to me it's a game. In a war anything goes. In a game you can expect a bit more of the players.

 What I see is a bunch of people who lost a base they like, and can't deal with it.

 I really don't care about the existence of FT, although I do think making a separate "sanctuary" in the game map is an indicator that the strat system of the game is strained to the limit that people who primarily look forward to aerial combat alone starts thinking they need special protections to have fun.  However, what I do find interesting is how people lose FTs in the first place. How many people does it take to defend Fighter town? Did the Bish and Knits not have enough people to stop Rooks at all?

 Another thing I note is the utter lack of problem-solving mind. Obviously Rooks took it by force. They ruined the fun. So now what? Nobody's gonna try take it back? Seeing how people start mentioning the developers as a solution to a problem that happened in the game, due to the players' own fault, is what makes me laugh.


 In the end, it comes down to this.

1) FT is just another field in the map. Great for having dogfights. But it's still capturable. So accordingly, some people captured it.

2) Some people don't like it. For reasons unknown, they can't capture it back.

3) So they come down to the forums and start discussing ethics. FT guys are good guys, FT conquerors are bad guys. I like this base. It's no fun when I lose it. Someone else takes the base, so that someone is a badsport. He ruins my fun.



 The last time I checked, it was the players that were supposed to stand up and fight to defend bases they liked. And it was the players who had to retake lost bases. Not the developers.

[hitech]

Nope hasn't changed in the least, the exat same stuff was happening in AW when I started playing over 16 years ago.

HiTech

[Kuhn]

Originally posted by whels
guess its time to follow up and take donut out of rotation.


Rooks have taken all of FT again, 3 bases and 25k mountains, make it
near impossible to retake. so 3/4s of clients now out of FT fun.

That would be 100%  Whos there to fight nwhen you own it all?

[whels]

Kweassa,

from what i heard, when FT was taken, it was like 60+ rooks online, vs
15to 20 knits and Bish. i imagine Bish n Knits were off doing other things on the map.

so 30 or so Rooks could take FT very easy n quickly.
now they got 3 close together bases, surrounded by 25k mountians. makes it very easy to defend, cause with 3 bases within 2 miles of each other, no way to retake without vastly more #s.  couple 3 262 goon hunters pickin off c47s trying to climb over the range way easy.

[Kweassa]

Why do you need to take FT Kwessa and Lyel??

 Firstly, I don't take FT bases because I'm usually up to my neck in trying to defend other bases in more serious conditions.

 Secondly, even me or Lyel actually wants to take FT bases, our reasons are our own.

 Thirdly, do you ask everyone who shoots you down, "why do you have to shoot ME down? Aren't there other people to shoot down?" Obviously not, I presume. (or do you?)

 In this game, people fly and fight. It's the way the game is played, so no one asks stupid questions like "why did you shoot ME down when there were others". I expect the same thing to apply to bases.  

As many have said it has no strategic value.

 So?

You say the furballers should defend it, WTF furballers are there to furball not defend FT from aholes that cant find any fun with the rest of the map.

 This line takes the cake.

 So you like the place you are having fun, but you're so into your own fun that you don't want to waste any time trying to stop someone else from ruining it? You are truly a fitting member of the bird sanctuary.

 Even a three-year old kid's first reaction to someone who tries to take away his toys, would be an attempt to hold on to it and try to protest by throwing a tantrum.

 Let's say you're right. FT-conquerors are a-holes. But they don't give a shi* what you think about them. You can complain here all day and they won't change a bit.

 So keep on calling them names. Since your fun is so important that even an attempt to stop someone from ruining it is unacceptable, I'm sure all that name-calling will change the a-holes from taking your bases... let's say, in about 1 million years.
 

Again what you are saying is, I want them to play my game or I will take their game away and force them into my game. Pathetic!

 Nah. I find this is way more pathetic;

"Mom! This kid in school, Bobby, he took away my toy. Make him stop! Waaaaaaaaaah"

 Try punching Bobby in the nose. You may be sent to the Principal's, but Bobby sure won't try that stunt again.

You guys just can't stand it, when given the option most people would rather fight in FT than play your win the war balony.

 Well, technically I'm not those guys, due to the reasons explained above at the first quote. But let's say I'm one of those guys.

 I'd say to you;

"Yeah? So? What are you gonna do about it? You'll do what, huh?"

[Simaril]

Originally posted by Dichotomy
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I thought it was kind of a gentlemens rule to leave FT alone....

....snip...

Key word being "gentlemen."

Simple courtesy -- respecting the rights and comfort of others -- is rare enough in the real world, so its going to be rare in here.

So we either kill the ord, kill the troops, or run co-op missions to restore the balance of the Force(s).

No reason to let the few barbarian spoilsports that deliberately pee in the backyard pool ruin our collective days.

[Dichotomy]

Indeed sim

[Yeager]

commentary:

shrug......

anytime there are more than 350/400 people online the game generally sucks.  Thats why I like late night/early morning online play.  150-250 people makes for a much better environment to enjoy.

Crap, when theres 500+ peeps online I just log.

[Kweassa]

Kweassa,

from what i heard, when FT was taken, it was like 60+ rooks online, vs
15to 20 knits and Bish. i imagine Bish n Knits were off doing other things on the map.

so 30 or so Rooks could take FT very easy n quickly.
now they got 3 close together bases, surrounded by 25k mountians. makes it very easy to defend, cause with 3 bases within 2 miles of each other, no way to retake without vastly more #s. couple 3 262 goon hunters pickin off c47s trying to climb over the range way easy.

 Sorry to hear that whels.

 But since most people also object to any kind of more powerful side balancing or anti-hording systems, I'm afraid there ain't a thing we can do about it.

 Well, we can always start asking the developers to intervene everytime something that we don't like happens... but ..

[Kweassa]

So we either kill the ord, kill the troops, or run co-op missions to restore the balance of the Force(s).

No reason to let the few barbarian spoilsports that deliberately pee in the backyard pool ruin our collective days.

 ... and during the course of such action, it'd ruin the fun for other people who will in turn, be forced to the receiving end. Who's the fun-ruining spoilsport now?

 I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Just saying.

[Kuhn]

Originally posted by Simaril
Key word being "gentlemen."

Simple courtesy -- respecting the rights and comfort of others -- is rare enough in the real world, so its going to be rare in here.

So we either kill the ord, kill the troops, or run co-op missions to restore the balance of the Force(s).

No reason to let the few barbarian spoilsports that deliberately pee in the backyard pool ruin our collective days.

No kidding Simaril.
I cant believe that some are quiting (or atleast saying so) over this!

[mars01]

Who said they were quiting??