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Offline DREDIOCK

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« Reply #330 on: September 15, 2006, 04:16:27 PM »
I will reserve judgment on the new setup for a later date.
gonna give it some time and a chance first.

I just wish I could still have my 109F in the late war arena
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« Reply #331 on: September 15, 2006, 04:18:58 PM »
whats all this talk about forcing people into doing things?
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« Reply #332 on: September 15, 2006, 04:21:24 PM »
HiTech management your last response to this thread was yesterday afternoon, and was a limited response at that. Are the issues razed here not important to you?

Squad members and friends are leaving the game, this is very disappointing to me. Do you care? How would I know, if you did or did not care. Think about it. A bulletin board is used to communicate.

I don't know what you are doing or why. The statement as to why seem to me, to be vague and undefined. My monthly subscription to you is well defined. I believe that monthly loyalty entitles me to at least a statement as to the direction Aces High is being taken and some definition of the future. (what is going on and what are you doing? the why would be nice to ) Perhaps a news letter would do.

Most important, I firmly believe the owners and management at Hitech Creations inc, has miscalculated and blundered stupendously! I ask, have you ever had a service that you pay for change overnight with out notice? This is a game service that I pay for, not a game show full of surprises. "What we have here is a failure to communicate" The question is will this arrogance continue? Is it that the community (subscribers) knows nothing or is it just "its good to be the king"?

Hitech I call on you, you owe the community and or subscribers at large a heartfelt and sincere apology. The changes you have made have caused a great deal of confusion, discontent and all around unhappiness. The reason I call for this apology is because it could have all been avoided if you had simply brought this matter up early and dealt with it before hand, not to mention that it appears you were ill prepared to make the changes  you did.

Check your history, failure to interact with your customers in an effective fashion almost always leads to disaster!

As for the changes them selves time will tell. Some good ideas I'm sure, however I have seen some better ideas posted on the message boards. Would it be taken against me, if I were to use that word arrogance, again. If you are indeed planning expansion the failure to source the most valuable commodity ideas would be a tremendous loss. There are most definitely good ideas here on this board although they need development.

On that note of expansion, that would be more satisfied, happy subscribers rather than less subscribers that were disgruntled and unhappy. Given this episode you might want to consider a public relations consultant, if so I am available. But remember, more happy subscribers is the key to expansion and success.

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« Reply #333 on: September 15, 2006, 04:23:53 PM »
There were Four knights in the Late War Arena this Morning defending against 18 Bish who just rolled us up and took base after base. I got so sick of that I logged off leaving three knights to defend and honestly I don't know if I want to get back on until this CRAP is fixed.
There were players literally begging for people to up so they could find a fight and the perk bonus when I logged was 7 something. My squad was spread out across three arenas with no way to organize or communicate.
Absolute Rubbish.
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« Reply #334 on: September 15, 2006, 04:25:02 PM »
Early impressons on the set up:

Enable all early war units in Mid-War

Enable all in Late war.

Increase the plane set

Let me get into a field gun (ENY of 1?).The ratings are all out of whack

Give me enough strength to get through the time it'll take for arena popualtions to stabalize.

$50 says that inj three months, these boards will be full of insults between early, mid and late arena flyers

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« Reply #335 on: September 15, 2006, 04:26:48 PM »
I still havent heard one honest, lucid reason why if you really believe most people like this and want the change you dont leave one ma arena up.Whats wrong with 2 types of customer ??? why are we arguing ??? With the amount of different customers why not have a bigger product to offer. I am sure you would find fairly quickly which product gained most revenue. Also maybe they would gradually move between both arenas. Personally after being gang banged for 3 days by hoards and out numbered I promise you I would never leave an ma for this. As for swopping sides to even things up...are you really from this game???? the comradship and team spirit is why I am here , oh I see because there are 20 of us and 6 of them some of us should join them and kill our friends  ??? I think you are on a different wave length to the rest of us. If you and your squasd find that amusing it just shows me that you really are a minority.

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« Reply #336 on: September 15, 2006, 04:28:03 PM »
Just out of curiosity, how many of you people that are supporting this 'change' actually have and are paying for an account? If you aren't a paying subscriber, then your point is kind of moot. :aok
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« Reply #337 on: September 15, 2006, 04:28:23 PM »
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1.  The only placed for "Prearranged" fights is TA or DA, so that argument will go in the circular file for now.

2.  Obviously you did not see the "epic" battle in the Early Arena, between A1 and A2.  Again your argument finds no purchase.


 



If you don´t mind, i will get my arguments back out of the circular file again

1. The only placed for "Prearranged" fights is TA or DA, so that argument will go in the circular file for now.

While only place intended to be for prearranged fights are TA & DA, exactly that happened the last two days. People not interested in Milkrunning were callign out on ch 200 were they could be found. Not hard to understand when someone bears in mind the low number of players onlin

2. Obviously you did not see the "epic" battle in the Early Arena, between A1 and A2. Again your argument finds no purchase.

Obviously you did not note the time I am talking about in my posts. Sorry, but at the times I´m talking about there were no such battles. They could be found only at times when the majority of US players were starting to log on.  

And I  watched all arenas the last 2 days, hopping around at every time of the day (much to my wife´s chagrin ...)


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I think I have beaten this horse to dust now... Time to leave this thread alone .. I´ve become very repetitive ;)

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« Reply #338 on: September 15, 2006, 04:46:26 PM »
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I will reserve judgment on the new setup for a later date.
gonna give it some time and a chance first.

I just wish I could still have my 109F in the late war arena


 You can the late war arena is just like main (FULL planeset) except for the cap limit now. Only thing is it will be hard to get into during prime time.

BTW, arenas are closed right now...
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« Reply #339 on: September 15, 2006, 04:50:15 PM »
ok.. just checked out of early war... were 70 or so on..

Great fight between two fields with 4 on 3 an 5 on 4 fights.   Got 4 kills in maybe 15 miunutes... one sortie had two kills after chasing around a bit...

How is this bad?  seems the guys doing it were having a blast... a6m... f4f and hurri 1 and some 109e and f....

Sooo... how many times you guys see those planes in the "everything goes" ma?   you don't.

You guys that hate it either are in mega squads and can't go to the bathroom by yourself or... you like having the fastest plane in the game and hunting down those stupid enough to enjoy early war planes...  

Somebody asked... I like the arenas for the most part and yes.... I have a subscription....  I have never heard of most of the guys complaining but I bet a look at their stats would show what they liked to do and why they don't want choice.

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« Reply #340 on: September 15, 2006, 04:52:06 PM »
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Just out of curiosity, how many of you people that are supporting this 'change' actually have and are paying for an account? If you aren't a paying subscriber, then your point is kind of moot. :aok


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« Reply #341 on: September 15, 2006, 04:54:38 PM »
ok, i guess i could put my 2 cents in here too, everyone else is...

i don't like the changes, only cuz i can't fly my tiff and fly with the rest of my squadies, alot of my squadies like the EA better and my tiff is in the LA, so i choose to fly with my squadies in the EA cuz thats what makes the game. i must admit that if it wasn't for the changes that have happened, i prolly would have never flown the f4f - 4 or the a - 5 whatever it is, yes i miss my main ride and when i'm the only one on, then i fly in the LA, but when everyone else is on, i either fly with them in planes i'm not used to or i just sit in the tower and bs with everyone. i'm not gonna whine or cry bout how HTC is providing their services, i'm gonna give it a month or so, see how things end up after all the drama settles and if i'm not happy then, well, there is always the RL thing ( god forbid ) or there are other games online that r like this one like warbirds. looks like cool game, i might have to give that a try if my relationship with HTC doesn't quite work out :)

who knows how this will all turn out....no one knows till you give it a try. i'm sure if HTC see's that its not really workin the way they had hoped, that they will make other changes to see if they can improve it for everyone. who knows....

good luck to yall that rn't happy, and <> to yall that r happy

i'm neutral at this point

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« Reply #342 on: September 15, 2006, 04:55:10 PM »
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« Reply #343 on: September 15, 2006, 04:55:43 PM »
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maybe I am still not understanding the complaints...

Every single plane is enabled at one field or another in one arena or another.

If you like late war fluffs or tanks or whatever... go to that arena.  

I don't understand the no players whine either...  If there are 50 on then that is twice as much as AvA uses to have great fights with non stop action...

But wait.... you want to play with 50-100 of your closests friends in life right?   That was what was wrong with the old MA...  Us BK's will even fight each other..  be surprised how fun that is.

You all claim you want the 500 people community but...  you never fly with more than 125 or so anyway... you pick a chess peice and a mega squad and put on the old blinders.... never to even meet and fly with anyone from another chess piece...  Try switching around a little to even up numbers and see how you like really meeting some of the other players.

I have heard that allmost all planes were unavailable to some of you.... No kidding?   Why is that?  Cause you had your head so far up your chesspiece and buddies that you couldn't balance the numbers no matter how much it would have enhanced gameplay.

Sure... we need some more ways to even up the sides and maybe some less of a time limit to switch countries but ... this new idea is a great one and will only get better...

The old MA could only get more stale every day.

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« Reply #344 on: September 15, 2006, 04:59:23 PM »
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I think your missing the gist of most of these complaints, A lot of prople like change however when change is thrust upon them with a untested enviroment, that doesn't work for everyone, well people just get a bit pissed. especially when ENY is so high the only thing you can up to defend your base is a B5N2, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe this plane even has guns.


Let me get my self straight (sober? can't be done). I totally understand and respect (like I had any say in this) your point. What I will be screaming in the next couple of paragraphs will propably explain. I my self, in my humble opinion do not expect every one to cope with something unproven and un- "beta tested" or such -half-way-there product-, especially when one is already paying hard cash to receive (or ecpecting to continue receiving) good entertainment. In this case, and even though HTC has never after the AH beta let me down, I must admit this change has presented ONE FUNDAMENTAL FLAW, that should have been adressed before introduction.

THE ENY-VALUE
There are only three parties all fighting each other in four arenas, so even it seems mathematically extremely impropable that one of these sides would lack strength altogether, this can, AND WILL HAPPEN! I witnessed it this evening. The ENY value was designed for the late-MA (let us call it the LMA) with its large CAP in mind. In smaller CAP and dispersed partipancy however, this results in sides, say Knights and Rooks fighting each other with C47's, because theres no one defending Bishop country. MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR PROBLEM!!!!

PYRO, this really needs to be fixed now, not tomorrow.

There are couple of possibilities I would suggest (again, in the humblest way imaginable:) :

1. Eliminate the ENY.
This most propably is not applicable as the time to time empty arenas will screw up the initial scores due to arena hopping scorehores.

2. Introduce a third party value (like there is in the game it self) into the calculation.
Not only should the ENY value be changed due to defending value of A country. Have the defending value calculate the arena total. 3 rooks against 3 knights against 0 bishops will result in tie. If the knights are smart, (and expansionists as proven) they will in turn zero out the expansion of the rooks and vice versa. Or the Bish country will be out for pickings for both one of them like race to Berlin.
This arrangement will also outrule the empty arena milkruns as resulting one third majority will effectively kill the attackers intentions.

3. Have the ENY value increase only and only on the bomber, attack and field capture capable planes. This way two country's can fight, have fun and keep it simple without fear of abusing field capture opportunities if there's no defending party in the third. This also rules out the milkruns, but does not support field capture and therefor true "fight to the end" competition between any and only two parties participating.

In any case, THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE PYRO! I am pro change, but the ENY value, as it is, EFFECTIVELY PROHIBITES even a FAIR FIGHT between any given two thirds.
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