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« Reply #570 on: September 18, 2006, 07:18:05 PM »
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You said the the population caps prevent your "EPIC" missions (what do you mean by "epic" if not what the rest of us call a horde?), and that when the sides are balanced it prevents you from doing what you enjoy.

Those are your words bro, I did not write them, or put them in your mouth.


I said with Low Caps AND Low Numbers...

With low caps and low #'s, it makes the things above just about impossible if the sides are anywhere close to balanced.

With only 50 people on my side how are we supposed to get a HUGE mission together? I have seen a few misisons but they are all 5 or 10 people. It just blows...

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« Reply #571 on: September 18, 2006, 07:30:03 PM »
How many people do you need to milkrun an undefended base?

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« Reply #572 on: September 18, 2006, 07:32:17 PM »
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I said with Low Caps AND Low Numbers...

With low caps and low #'s, it makes the things above just about impossible if the sides are anywhere close to balanced.

With only 50 people on my side how are we supposed to get a HUGE mission together? I have seen a few misisons but they are all 5 or 10 people. It just blows...

Well at least we agree on what you said and what you meant. Thanks for your honesty, but I stand by my assesment of your playing style and your desires for the game. It appears I am not alone.

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« Reply #573 on: September 18, 2006, 07:35:02 PM »
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This is a direct quote, all I did was highlight what you said in red.... So your saying you can't play with out hordeing and totally out numbering the enemy? You can't WIIN a war without hording, nor can you capture bases with out great difficulty without hording. This what your saying in the above statement correct? I'm not putting words into your mouth correct?

Doesn't that sound just a bit lame? The "Epic" battle can still happen, you don't need hugh numbers to take bases, win a war, heck even have fun. We had 4 guys working at a Vbase, and the only reason we didn't capture it was it was defended by LTAR's. I hate to say it, but you take the planes away from LTAR's athey can really shine:D

The point is, learn to fight, learn some stratigy, stop depending on the "horde" and you'll find alot more enjoyment in this game than you thought possible!  


No, That "red highlight" is taking things out of context.

This is what I said.

With low caps and low #'s, it makes the things above just about impossible if the sides are anywhere close to balanced.

Notice Low caps and LOW NUMBERS>>>

70 on a side just doesn't do it for me.... I like LARGE missions. I like running into other LARGE Missions. I do not like furballing. You guys do. It's ok. But you shouldn't really put down people who want more than just a furball...

As for the Epic battle "can still happen" no, I am afraid it seems to be gone. I haven't seen 1 HUGE bomber/escort mission since the change. The largest I have seen since the change was 4 sets of Buffs with 1 escort. They might still occur but I havent seen one...

I don't "Depend"  on the horde, I fly solo most of the time. I think you are missing my point, which is that it was fun with 50 guys all going on a mission together. That fun now seems gone and that sucks...but it's just my opinion and I hope they will fix it by upping the caps...

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« Reply #574 on: September 18, 2006, 07:39:55 PM »
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Well at least we agree on what you said and what you meant. Thanks for your honesty, but I stand by my assesment of your playing style and your desires for the game. It appears I am not alone.


LOL all you know is I like to fly in large bomber/escort missions.  That I think the LOW caps and Population have killed that off.

I seriously doubt I am the only person who enjoyed Huge Buff Raids...

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« Reply #575 on: September 18, 2006, 07:58:35 PM »
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You ever hear of a fighter sweep?

Enemy Hordes never bothered me, just more targets...


Yea, I've heard of a fighter sweep.  I've even participated in a few.  They usually consist of about five to six people trying to stop the 40-50 strong La-7/Tiffy raid.  Yea more targets to shoot, but as soon as you shoot down one, or if your lucky two of them, the six or seven behind you shoot you down.  Rinse, repeat, BLARGH!  

If you do manage to slow down the horde, so that more of your buddies up to defend said base, they go away to find easier pickings.  That is more along the lines of WWI trench warfare.  

"OK chaps over the top, well show them by throwing our bodies at their guns and overwhelm them with our numbers!"

It was insaine then, and it is still insaine today.  

The horde was a ***** sandwich, and everybody in the MA had to take a bite, or log off and not play at all.

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« Reply #576 on: September 18, 2006, 08:04:34 PM »
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How many people do you need to milkrun an undefended base?

LOL.

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« Reply #577 on: September 18, 2006, 08:06:13 PM »
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Yea, I've heard of a fighter sweep.  I've even participated in a few.  They usually consist of about five to six people trying to stop the 40-50 strong La-7/Tiffy raid.  Yea more targets to shoot, but as soon as you shoot down one, or if your lucky two of them, the six or seven behind you shoot you down.  Rinse, repeat, BLARGH!  

My friend....this is the structure of war...

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« Reply #578 on: September 18, 2006, 08:14:25 PM »
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Yea, I've heard of a fighter sweep.  I've even participated in a few.  They usually consist of about five to six people trying to stop the 40-50 strong La-7/Tiffy raid.  Yea more targets to shoot, but as soon as you shoot down one, or if your lucky two of them, the six or seven behind you shoot you down.  Rinse, repeat, BLARGH!  
 


5 guys attack a 50 man mission and get squashed and you are complaining about getting shot down. You could have made a mission for a fighter sweep, got your own 50 man mission and went after them.  But whatever those days are gone now I guess. Seems the "pure fighter guys" won out over the "We like to do everything crowd"...

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« Reply #579 on: September 18, 2006, 08:45:20 PM »
Welll there's were I misunderstood you. By "Epic Mission" I thought you ment "memorible", "challanging", hard fought battle. My bad :confused:

I too am one of those "likes to do it all" tho my squad is really more a fighter group. Im ranked what, someplace in the 300's. This by no means discribes "how good a pilot I am" because Im an average pilot at best, but it does show I do a bit of everything, I go where the fun is.

Getting 10 guys together can be just as much fun as 50, and when you run into 6 defenders with a bit of alt, your in for a heavy fight. The fun is still there, the challange is now there more so, and this will lead to "memorible fights", of course this MY idea of Epic, tho it could be yours too.

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« Reply #580 on: September 18, 2006, 09:06:39 PM »
He's got to be trolling. Never believe anything from anyone who complains about roughly even numbers on all sides.
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« Reply #581 on: September 18, 2006, 09:19:30 PM »
"Seems the "pure fighter guys" won out over the "We like to do everything crowd"..."


seems to me, that other than upping with 50 other guys to run a missun... and lets face it, you only need 10-15 to capture a base, and your when your 50 man missun hits the other 50 man missun, your not going to see or engage more than 10-15 of them before you die or run anyway...and with 250 in the late arena, theres a max of just over 80 per side, im certain that if everyone in the late arena wanted to be in a big missun, as you seem to be claiming they most certainly do, you could easily orginize and run one...and theres a helluva lot more to everything than just missions and furballing.

"5 guys attack a 50 man mission and get squashed and you are complaining about getting shot down"

hitech makes one change, and those 5 guys and 10-20 of your mission guys go and do, or at least try and do something else - and your complaining about HITECH changing how people play?

you have more options for doing everything than ever before, and theres a lot more to the game than just furballing and base-capture, hell furballers rely on base capture to move the furball around a bit, wether they admit it or not, they get bored fighting the same people over the same terrain all the time.

give the other gameplay and slower planes a try, at least-

whats the matter, mission boy? afraid you might kill something?

oh, and i just checked the arena numbers, there was just under 600 on, with about 53% in the latewar arenas, and 47% in the early and mid arenas...i figure this nearly 50-50 split is what it will look like most nights, with one or the other being larger depending, that hitech could safely raise the 250 cap to 350.

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« Reply #582 on: September 18, 2006, 09:25:42 PM »
Say hub, People have asked you this before ....  and I'm not sure if I missed it or what? but what is your game ID?..someone said you have flown -0- hours for months...but that must be a mistake because you have alot to say.  So help me out.... what is your game ID.?....and if its proprietary data I'll understand 999000 my ID of course is 999000

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« Reply #583 on: September 18, 2006, 09:31:06 PM »
Whats that got to do with anything? I havent flown in months either, does that mean that I dont have as much say as someone who flies 200hrs?

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« Reply #584 on: September 18, 2006, 09:33:42 PM »
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Say hub, People have asked you this before ....  and I'm not sure if I missed it or what? but what is your game ID?..someone said you have flown -0- hours for months...but that must be a mistake because you have alot to say.  So help me out.... what is your game ID.?....and if its proprietary data I'll understand 999000 my ID of course is 999000
Try Hubks.  But he stopped playing late last month.  Obviously the catalyst for change . . .
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