New arena format Part 2 - Use this thread, don't open duplicates

[Edbert]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
Of course if your getting other information 999 is going to be upset

<--- grabs a kleenex to wipe coffee off his screen

[Grits]

Originally posted by RipT327
What happend to the dayz of MAJORITY RULES is this a thing of the past?

AH is not a democracy. You have two choices, stay or go. Its HT's company and he can do with it what he wants. I know if I[/i] was him I sure wouldnt want us idiots making business decisions.

[scottydawg]

Ding!

Grits wins the thread.

[Simaril]

Originally posted by gatt
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What I dont understand is if this new system is a stop gap, a weak tentative, or a permanent solution to the lack of resources for new planes, graphics and TOD.

Or, maybe it is what HTC said it is...and effort to maintain community by grouping a huge mass of players into neighborhoods.

And maybe the large influx expected is every bit as obvious. After all, TOD/CT has apparently entered late alpha development, and I bet closed beta isnt far behind. Once the fabled CT sees light of day, wouldnt it make sense to run an advertising blitz?

[Edbert]

Originally posted by RipT327
What happend to the dayz of MAJORITY RULES is this a thing of the past?

Actually it "is a thing of" your imagination not "the past". HTC has never made business decisions based upon votes/polls/democracy, ask them if you don't beleive me. There is no human being on the planet with more experience making online flight sims than either Dale or Doug alone, and HTC has them COMBINED! Don't get me wrong, I am no sycophant, there are things that I wish were tweaked in my favor, has always been that way, probably always will be.

But at least I am honest enough to admit that the things I'd prefer to see done differently are because I am selfish and want the game catered to my tastes. Can you say the same about your wish list?


Edit: Simaril, I could obviously be wrong, but I beleive closed beta has been underway for some time, I know of one idivdual involved but wont name him until I get an okay.

[lazs2]

raider179 or "fatsack"   let's take a look at your stats so that we can put your complaints into perspective...

You fly buffs and use GV's a lot.    You wouldn't want to evern see a early war arena... nothing for you to do there.

But... we are talking about AC here so, let's look at what and how you fly.   You fly F4u and Dora and nik and Ki 84 and the spit 16....  

You get killed twice for every time that you kill someone but....  you play allmost 50 hours a month in fighters and.... you spend most of your time flying around doing nothing... you get 2 kills an hour... that means..

you do nothing most of the time.   I don' t think that you have much of a right to say that the old MA was fine.  I don't think that your style of gameplay is what most want in a combat air sim.

not singling you out but you are one of the few complaining that even gives his real handle.

It seems that the whorde is the safety net that a lot of the guys who spend hours a day flying think they need.

fatsack... get into the early war in a hurri or spit or whatever and I gurantee that you will get into a lot of fights that will improve your abilities to the point that when you meet another plane.... it won't be a two to one chance he will own you even tho you are in a better plane.

lazs
Public Realations Officer for the BK's

[Dichotomy]

ummm Laz... I get less than 2 kills an hour and I don't fly that way.... just sayin

Oh that and I'm absolutely godawful at this game

PS.. Superdud is a poopyhead

[lazs2]

well...  my point is that the guys complaining that there is nothing to do but fly around now never did anything anyway... when they did they drove tanks like mugzee and fluffs and when they flew...

They flew late war planes so that they could run away from fites and vultch.  they spent most of their time not fighting at all.   They haven't gotten any better cause they won't try.

They want late war big arenas to hide in with their girlfriends... when they get a kill it is of someone in a plane half as good as theirs tied up with 6 of their significant others.

They complain that the large squads are hurt.   What?   A "large" squad in AH is 32 guys... if you have more somehow then you are being a griefer and ruining the game.  

new guys don't stand a chance with these griefers on...  they never get a chance to play in a fair atmosphere.

I flew the FM2 in the old MA... couldn't get away from anyone.   I never met a type of plane that I didn't kill at least 2 to one... I ran kills into the 10-15 an hour range and I am saying that it sucked flying in the old MA.

I have more of a right to talk about how bad it was for early and slow planes than they do cause I did it and.... I could hold my own or better.   Iam probly doing worse in the EW arena but loving it more.

So what if I killed 10 la7's in the old MA for every one that killed me?   they were all the worst guys virtual pilots around... not much fun.   For my efforts in the old MA I got to dodge these morons and their whordes, killing the ones dumb enough to not just run away when they missed their sissy little high speed kick at me or allowed me to take off from the field they were capping.

The fights are at least 10 times better in the new ew and mw arenas.  

maybe the caps out to stay on anyway till the slum like behavior just dies out.

let new guys coming in see a variety of behavior.

I do feel sorry for those who fly at odd hours tho... something should be done for them but... they need to cooperate for now and go to the same arena and even up the sides.

I seen people in the EW switching (gasp!) chesspieces in order to have better gameplay...  

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[Dichotomy]

I know Laz

Just feeling a bit humorous this morning.. ignore me till I get grumpy again

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by lazs2

I do feel sorry for those who fly at odd hours tho... something should be done for them but... they need to cooperate for now and go to the same arena and even up the sides.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

I had an idea about dynamic map sizing...  not sure of the implementation, but a map that added or removed sector rings depending on population...

Bad idea?

[jtdragon]

I started plawing AH for flying, had fun, met new people, people who I liked to work with and new how to work togather, people working togather to take a base or map, it takes time to build groups like that.  We are losing that now with the caps on number of people, and 3 different areans. sides are very mismatched most of the times but trying force people to change side is wrong.

 
Now in the evening after 8pm EST you have a hard time getting on, (I like the LA because it plays like old MA when near full}. I have to to go to a different arena with people I not know and because we are having to move around now won't get to know them and how to work togather.

This is becoming a 1+1 game for a large part. I do not think I would have stay long if it had been like that when I started. I'm getting bored a times and that has not happened in the 4 years I've been here.

Things I would like to see happen, only have 2 arenas, EA/LA
400 cap
New maps designed for air, ground and sea operations
only two sides

Remember that our oversea friends play early morning and  daytime

to the people who do not like us saying we don't like things the way they are now, I've not read one person telling you to shut up so maybe ya'll are the ones that need to leave.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by lazs2
well...  my point is that the guys complaining that there is nothing to do but fly around now never did anything anyway... when they did they drove tanks like mugzee and fluffs and when they flew...

They flew late war planes so that they could run away from fites and vultch.  they spent most of their time not fighting at all.   They haven't gotten any better cause they won't try.

They want late war big arenas to hide in with their girlfriends... when they get a kill it is of someone in a plane half as good as theirs tied up with 6 of their significant others.

They complain that the large squads are hurt.   What?   A "large" squad in AH is 32 guys... if you have more somehow then you are being a griefer and ruining the game.  

new guys don't stand a chance with these griefers on...  they never get a chance to play in a fair atmosphere.

I flew the FM2 in the old MA... couldn't get away from anyone.   I never met a type of plane that I didn't kill at least 2 to one... I ran kills into the 10-15 an hour range and I am saying that it sucked flying in the old MA.

I have more of a right to talk about how bad it was for early and slow planes than they do cause I did it and.... I could hold my own or better.   Iam probly doing worse in the EW arena but loving it more.

So what if I killed 10 la7's in the old MA for every one that killed me?   they were all the worst guys virtual pilots around... not much fun.   For my efforts in the old MA I got to dodge these morons and their whordes, killing the ones dumb enough to not just run away when they missed their sissy little high speed kick at me or allowed me to take off from the field they were capping.

The fights are at least 10 times better in the new ew and mw arenas.  

maybe the caps out to stay on anyway till the slum like behavior just dies out.

let new guys coming in see a variety of behavior.

I do feel sorry for those who fly at odd hours tho... something should be done for them but... they need to cooperate for now and go to the same arena and even up the sides.

I seen people in the EW switching (gasp!) chesspieces in order to have better gameplay...  

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Typical Laz - You drive a GV or fly 'fluffs' your somehow lower than him.
Sorry Laz it's attitudes like that that contributed to the MA as you put it 'slum'.
Everyone plays the game they way they want to, doesn't make it right or wrong, I've tried explaining that on various threads, guess it hasn't sunk in yet.
Or pay everyones fee and we'll all fly the way you would like us to.

Had my 2nd night in the new arenas since my return so an update -

EW - Too quiet, but still managed to run into a 3 v 1 all higher (of course).
MW and LW - No different form the old MA, but with numbers caps

Overall the LW1 and 2 tended to have twice the number of players of EW an MW combined. So I guess you can say LW is what MOST people want.

No probs with the new arenas, but the caps have to go, it is actually contributing to side imbalances.

Yes you can a say "swap sides", but think on this -
1) Perk multiplier - To encourage people to swap sides
2) ENY - To encourage people to swap sides
3) Lowered side swap time - To encourage people to swap sides

Did they work - NO, so I guess people don't want to swap sides, and even this new format won't change it.

[HGCeech]

Laz i am new to this game,say about 5 months,i came here from FA,because the game had what i and my squad wanted,but its getting to sound like the crybabies in FA,you just seem to downgrade everyone who does not agree with you and the rotton changes AH made.It seems most of the Pilots Like the LW but it needs to have the cap removed so more then 250 can join.I have been flying flight sims since air warrior days and AH seems to be the best out there,but i fly with my mates and as of yet i cant get into a areana where they fly,and that is LW areana.You are being very nasty to a lot of people who do not agree with you,not nice sir.This eny stuff is bad also.I am strickley a Buff driver B17s and B24s,i cant fly fighters ,tried but cant do it.So please use your influence with AH and do one of two thinks ,change it back or take away that eny and encrese the cap on the LW areana..Thanks for your time sir....

[lazs2]

kev... all I can say is that if you don't want to switch sides or you can't play without having a huge advantage in aircraft ability or numbers...

I really don't want to play in the same game as you anyway.

The new format gives me the opportunity to do just that... not play your game.

I think it will be far healthier for the new guys too... they will have a choice when before... they had none..

all this bad behavior was the only option for em unless they had exceptional charachter.

To the credit of a lot of new guys....  a lot of em did... they avoided the mega squad "take anyone with a mouse" like the plauge and fought in early or mid war planes.... now they are in the EW or mid war and having a good time.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by lazs2
kev... all I can say is that if you don't want to switch sides or you can't play without having a huge advantage in aircraft ability or numbers...

I really don't want to play in the same game as you anyway.

The new format gives me the opportunity to do just that... not play your game.

I think it will be far healthier for the new guys too... they will have a choice when before... they had none..

all this bad behavior was the only option for em unless they had exceptional charachter.

To the credit of a lot of new guys....  a lot of em did... they avoided the mega squad "take anyone with a mouse" like the plauge and fought in early or mid war planes.... now they are in the EW or mid war and having a good time.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Lazs - I have been Bish through the good times and the bad. If you actually knew me you'd know I don't always fly with the hoard, more than likely find me/squad intercepting, or defending a field against the hoard.

New format (i.e. multi arenas) I don't have a problem with, it's the caps. It has actually made LW1 worse than the MA because people can't get in, so the imbalance swings wildly.

Choice - to be able to enter ANY arena regardless of numbers already in it. This one small change alone would most likely keep EVERYONE happy.
It won't affect the EW/MW and allow the majority of players to play a single LW.