New arena format Part 2 - Use this thread, don't open duplicates

[Edbert]

Originally posted by Mugzeee
Actually the BK's squad persona is played out more on the BBS than anywhere else.

  I kinda think of the BK's as the AH Forums squad.

That wasn't always true, we used to have 10-12 guys online at a time, and I'm sure you'll admit that having 6-10 BKs in one place at one time had an affect on whatever area. It was glorious, guys came out of the weeds to whack us, or die trying.  Definitely made for some fun fights and long-lived furballs, at least until some whittle generalz came along and whacked all the FHs.

But now, considering how many of us have burned out on the MA -style of whording and simply play less, on been PNG'ed, or are now running around as scantilly-clad female elves in MMOLRPG-land, or flying phag-jet sims, or being the star-wars-nerds in another MMOLRPG-land....you may be close to accurate there Mugz. On a good night I'll see 2-4 of us online, often only see myself, and I am also to blame for the decline, I'm only logging a few hours a month too. We still hang out on the BBS, and this thread aside, I bet >50% of my posts are in the private forum.

[MINNOW]

Originally posted by lazs2

in all this time I have never seen two base taking whordes run into each other and fite.   I have fought some of the whorde members... they are amung the worst players in the game.  They aren't any good and they will never get better in the whorde.

Well.... I know for a fact my squad and Falc's squad fight all the time.... The battles are a blast.

Being a former BOP, and knowing most of those guys... I think its kind of unfair that the finger is being pointed directly at them. They arent the only mega squad in this game but they are the most effective...

For 2 years now all I have heard is how people have to play the game their way cause someone elses way isnt the "right" way....

At least in the MA you could find "Your" way....

Falc & Bops....

[lazs2]

start anywhere zorstor... I'm up for it.  Oh wait...  you got nothing.   Maybe you can get all your buds together and come up with something?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[Donzo]

Originally posted by lazs2
I don't know falc...  I know him by his avatar and his posts.

He  calls himself and his illegal squad the "fun police"... he is anti fun.. he gives his location as "under your mom"

he brags about ruining others fun with the ability to cheat the squad numbers which....

He claims are 80-100 of his closest friends in life of which... he can't even name and has probly never met but a dozen of.

He goes apopleptic if he thinks he is being insulted or if some game element ruins his fun...  maybe HT could call himself the "fun police" and then it would be all good?

He speaks of loyalty and, with catch in  voice and tear in eye, talks of the "community" of taking undefended bases with 90 of his blood brothers and life partners yet... can't name half of em and at the same time.... is pretty much shutting himself..... and them... from the other 5000 players who are every bit as good a guys.

His style of play is no play at all...  to ruin gamepay... he might as well be playing a boxed game or... a football game where he and his 10 buddies are against 1 bad guy who lives on the next block that they will never get to know.

I don't want to be part of his boring whorde and I don't want to be steamrolled by it.

The mega squads are bad for the community.   period.   Why have a 32 limit if a few squads can cheat it so easy?

in all this time I have never seen two base taking whordes run into each other and fite.   I have fought some of the whorde members... they are amung the worst players in the game.  They aren't any good and they will never get better in the whorde.

he threatens to quit and then in the next post takes it back.... Like I said.. don't know the guy but.... from the posts and, mostly, the way he plays the game ...  don't want to.   I used to say that I never met a flight sim guy that I din't like when we met... this new breed of mega squad guys....  not so sure if that is true now.

Those who will not play honorably and who are cheating the rules need to have their behavior modified.   If they quit cause they can't cheat anymore....  I for one won't miss em.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

You throw that "c" word around quite liberally....HT you listening?

Explain to me how anyone is "cheating squad numbers"?  

It's nothing more than a bunch of guys getting together on a vox channel and doing things together.  Hell, most of the time everyone's on the same vox channel but they are doing their own thing.  

There is no "cheating squad numbers" as you say.  Squads are limited to 32 players and I do not see any squads exceeding that number....do you?
So what if different squads decide to hang out together and on occasion do something together?

[lazs2]

so donzo... these guys who claim to have 40-100 guys in their "squad(s) are what?  Lying?

You do realize how silly your use of semantics here is?   they are gaming the squad limits pure and simple.   to me that is a form of cheating.   Is that clear enough?  

I guess if you can do it then it isn't cheating but... I have seen people get away with other forms and eventually it got shut down because it was bad for the game.   I think the mega squad it just another example of a bad idea...  a loophole that needs to be fixed.   They are maybe more of a bug but a cheat...

But.... what do you call someone who exploits a bug?  and brags about it.... and then whines when it is addressed?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[lazs2]

anyhow... this is getting repetitive...  I have not changed my mind and have stated all my reasons.   I will not respond to this thread anymore.

what I had to say is out.   what the megasquad and "fun police" had to say it out.

Anyone reading the thread has more than enough of this to think about.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[Donzo]

Originally posted by lazs2
so donzo... these guys who claim to have 40-100 guys in their "squad(s) are what?  Lying?

No, not lying.  Maybe it is more accurate to say that the BoP are a collection of legal squads in AHII.  


You do realize how silly your use of semantics here is?   they are gaming the squad limits pure and simple.   to me that is a form of cheating.   Is that clear enough?  

The only thing clear enough is your warped logic.  What is the difference between what you perceive as a problem and a bunch of guys getting together and doing something as a group?


I guess if you can do it then it isn't cheating but... I have seen people get away with other forms and eventually it got shut down because it was bad for the game.   I think the mega squad it just another example of a bad idea...  a loophole that needs to be fixed.   They are maybe more of a bug but a cheat...

What's your suggestion for a fix?  Eliminate squads?  So what...what's to stop a group of guys all in the default tower cooking something up on range vox while in the tower.  Afterwards they decide to move as a group somewhere else.  See any difference there?


But.... what do you call someone who exploits a bug?  and brags about it.... and then whines when it is addressed?


I see no bug.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's [/B]

Originally posted by lazs2
anyhow... this is getting repetitive...  I have not changed my mind and have stated all my reasons.   I will not respond to this thread anymore.

what I had to say is out.   what the megasquad and "fun police" had to say it out.

Anyone reading the thread has more than enough of this to think about.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

OMG, are you a woman?  

That sounds just like a response I'd get from my wife once a valid point has been made that there is not a response to.

"I will not respond to this thread anymore.

what I had to say is out. "

Please, give me a break.  You seem to always have plenty to say...just not this time?  After something logical has been thrown your way?

[4510]

Originally posted by lazs2
so donzo... these guys who claim to have 40-100 guys in their "squad(s) are what?  Lying?

You do realize how silly your use of semantics here is?   they are gaming the squad limits pure and simple.   to me that is a form of cheating.   Is that clear enough?  

I guess if you can do it then it isn't cheating but... I have seen people get away with other forms and eventually it got shut down because it was bad for the game.   I think the mega squad it just another example of a bad idea...  a loophole that needs to be fixed.   They are maybe more of a bug but a cheat...

But.... what do you call someone who exploits a bug?  and brags about it.... and then whines when it is addressed?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Whether it is separate squads that agree to work together (think Rook Joint Ops) or an organization that is large and calls itself one squad.. what is the difference?

What we are seeing in all of this is a human nature and fundamental flaws in the game design... at least as it relates to human nature.  You aren't going to get a level playing field unless you mandate specifically how many people can be in an arena, force which side they come in on, if someone logs, and unbalances the sides, someone on the high side gets ejected, etc.  



So the next best thing is for folks to be vocal and make sure that "their" brand of AH is represented.  With this change I think the pure "ACM" ( and I use that term loosely) folks get what they want and the large arena folks get what they want.  The cap limits.... obviously trying to break old habits... or afraid that if they are returned to higher limits ... the grand experiment will fail.

[Viking]

I like the new Arenas.

[BTW]

People complaining about large squads mustn't have been around for DOS Air Warrior. The Musketeers--)------------------ were an enormous squad if you figure there were only about 150 people flying.

You want 20 member squads with 1200-1500 people flying?

Just who here is kidding themselves?

[hitech]

FALCONWING:

1st I realy didn't itend for you to try post your members, hence why I said ask yourself the question.

2nd The question was in no way ment to insult, degrade, or say you are not loyal to your friends. The question was ment to show basic human behavior.

That behavior is realy simple, once a group grows above a certain number, they are no longer all a close group of friends. And once again ask yourself, do I realy belive someone is a close friend, (dosn't mean you have any ill in anyway to them) if I can not name them. I would once again sugest that the people you could not name are realy just people you wish could also be your friends, but they are realy not your friends, just people who could be.

That statement is in no way a slander on your squad. It is mearly a simple fact proven by my original question.  Because you could not name them is not in anyway an insult to you, I'm sure you wish you could know all them personaly. And that is the hole point, when a group gets to big ,people can not realy form close personal bonds with everyone. A person just does not have the time to perform the interaction required with everone.

It apears to me ( I could be wrong) is that you belive, enorder to remain a llarge group, you must all fly together. My guess is that on a squad night, you could have 35 - 50 peole wishing to fly.

Let me make a sugestion, break your orinzation into 3 groups, chosen by your members. Then have each group choose a different country, or roll some dice for the country.

Now on squad night  you might just have great fun fighting missions against eachother. Notice your still the group, your still all flying together, you can still call yourselves the same thing, all wanting to have fun in the same way. Now you can even have fun bantering back and forth about the outcomes.

And finaly, do you realy belive loyalty to your squad should outway the needs of the rest of the AH community?
My guess would be that you do not belive that. But your current arguments about," my large squad should be able to do what they wish just like they used to ", yes that a very liberal paraphrase, and I know that isn't what you realy belive, but your arguments have been comming across that way.

To simply put my postion, at this time the needs of the many "All AH Players" are outwaying the needs few "Your Squad"

HiTech

[Bogie603rd]

My goodness, I think this is the fastest growing thread I have EVER seen on any forum.

[T0J0]

Last night was first time in new format...

Went early war, good even knife fights, no yelling on range channel, no La-7 hords urining on my fun.... Most fun I have had in a year...  I used to login, spend a couple sorties never finding an even fight and then just logout in disgust...
Best change I have seen so far, I look forward to actually flying this weekend for a change... Nice Job HT..

OP. The large squads are ruining the game play so I view the arena caps as a great idea if it breaks up the hord squads somewhat. "again is OP"

Snapshot was a blast as well even with the disorganization....

[Edbert]

Originally posted by hitech
Now on squad night  you might just have great fun fighting missions against eachother. Notice your still the group, your still all flying together, you can still call yourselves the same thing, all wanting to have fun in the same way.

Yes! You can still have your fun, you can share vox, you can run missions, you can get 30-50 guys, but if you try to get 50 guys all on one side you'll have to pay the price of the ENY.

Seriously, give it some time, give it a try. Some of the best squad nights I've ever had were fighting amongst ourselves, I can assure you I almost always come out on the short end with those guys too.

This game is big enough and diverse enough for everyone to have their brand of fun, unless it involves gaming the game or greifing the rest of the community. The change just makes it much harder to continue to have their brand of fun at the expense of the rest of the players.

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Bogie, look up the Voss thread sometime, it holds the AH-BBS record. On other forums I have seen threads that last for years and have millions (!) of posts.

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by Bogie603rd
My goodness, I think this is the fastest growing thread I have EVER seen on any forum.

You obviously have never seen a political thread on fark.com.  Proof-positive that the internet makes you stupid.