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Offline VOR

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« on: October 29, 2006, 09:32:00 AM »
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Students, who were unaware police were conducting a drill, were taken from the classroom into the halls, patted down by officers and asked what they had in their pockets, the newspaper said.


So, they're calling it a "safety drill" these days.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061028/ap_on_re_us/school_drill_2

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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2006, 09:41:22 AM »
If they are only looking for guns the aclu will pretend they don't notice.

If they are looking for drugs or gay porn the aclu will not only fight it but will make it mandatory to pass out drugs and gay porn from now on.

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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2006, 09:42:46 AM »
Sadly, I think there are plenty of folks on this board who see no problem with this incident.  These are the same people who will on one side argue that they are the true patriots, that their party is truly conservative and they oppose big government, but then they'll turn around and rationalize this police drill as necessary for safety.  Maybe one or two of them will blame this on the mexicans for good measure.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2006, 09:43:25 AM »
And then Lazs will spectacularly miss the point about the real problem being that the police are pulling this crap to begin with.

Edit: Whoops, looks like he already did.  

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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2006, 09:44:47 AM »
What wrong was done? Indoctrination is best started at a young age so you will have fewer protests as adults, if one terrorist is caught it is worth it, oh and some of the little criminals might have had scissors, nail clippers or aspirin on em.

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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2006, 09:53:32 AM »
How do you figure chairboy?   I didn't miss the point at all.  I think you missed the point about the aclu's agenda and hypocracy tho.

Bet some woman democrat in the near future says that the police are too important to leave to the state level and moves to federalize all police forces in the U.S.

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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2006, 10:05:41 AM »
hi, i'm officer frendly and i'm here to protect an serve :D

actualy they are just being trained to accept "routine traffic stops" when they grow up.

cop:: sir your tag light is out, can i search your car?

driver:: why?

cop:: SIR ARE YOU HIDING SOMETHING?
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2006, 10:08:30 AM »
John9001: If you're criticizing those police, you're an appeaser who's letting the terrorists win.

....to paraphrase you.
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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2006, 10:12:22 AM »
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John9001: If you're criticizing those police, you're an appeaser who's letting the terrorists win.

....to paraphrase you.


so your in favor of that, or are you just confused?

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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2006, 10:16:34 AM »
I am the one for second amendment ritghts and against any police wearing masks and against no knock middle of the night raids and the whole militarizing of the police with swat and such.

I am against any random search set up by the police except at the scene of a crime that has just happened.

I am against any federal police except for a small contingent of federal mashals.   They would take care of transportation across state lines  for instance like aircraft or trains and perhaps trucking.

We do not need the "Famous But Ineffectve" or the "F toop" tax police.  We have a dozen alphabet soup federal agencies that suck up money and are ineffective in the extreme.   there are lots better ways to spend money.

They had a show called "tales from the FBI" it bombed... there were not enough interesting cases that weren't 20-50 years old to even fill one season.

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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2006, 10:44:07 AM »
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hi, i'm officer frendly and i'm here to protect an serve :D

actualy they are just being trained to accept "routine traffic stops" when they grow up.

cop:: sir your tag light is out, can i search your car?

driver:: why?

cop:: SIR ARE YOU HIDING SOMETHING?
:noid


They're pulling people over here in Gahanna and Pataskala for "weaving inside of their lane",then checking them out.

Apparently you don't even need probable cause to pull people over in the Columbus area anymore.

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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2006, 10:54:26 AM »
pfft just watch a couple of episodes of COPS and you can see the rampant abuse of powah!!
im always seeing the "sir i pulled you over becouse your tag light is out" excuse.

What like you headlights and spotlight werent effective enough to light up the back of a persons car and READ the license plate?:huh

The they ALWATS gotta do the "mind if i search you car"? :O

Meanwhile while they are performing their search the bigtime drugdealers drive by in their brand new lexus wich has all its lights fully functional due to the fact they just bought it with their drug money.:O
Crap now I gotta redo my cool sig.....crap!!! I cant remeber how to do it all !!!!!

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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2006, 11:34:01 AM »
Sadly, this type of thing is becoming commonplace in schools. There was a case here 2 years ago where a girl was expelled for refusing to participate in a situation very similar to this. No child left behind indeed, more like no child left unindoctrinated. Do schools need closer screening and tougher enforcement? Yes, but this is not the way to do it.
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2006, 01:20:34 PM »
Sorry for the wall of text. But this true story is too good not to include here

They searched my son in HS once for a BS reason.

One day his HS handbook fell out of either his locker or bookbag. Someone found it. looked at it and turned it in.
The vice principle in turn called him in. then.called his mother and myself into the school to adress some concerns they had

Seems in his HS handbook there was listed the names of the faculty and staff. Some of whom he obviously didnt like as he had arrows drawn to a few names with the word "Nazi"
And cause he colored in the eyes of some of the cartoonlike charactors in it
They were also concerned because he was known to accosiate with a couple kids who were known to make "racist jokes".

I knew this was BS as soon as I heard an overview of it
On walking in we were lead by his guidence counceller to a room with along Table with 1 chair at the head and other chairs lined along the sides.
And we were asked to take a seat and the vice prinicple would be in a  few minutes
Now if you ever see this kind of setup. The chair at the head of the tabe is known as "the power position" Its intentionally set up that way for physchological reasons. so that as the people sitting on the sides as to be subserviant to the person sitting at the head of the table.
I recognised this immediately. and never being one to be willing to be subserient to anyone. decided that was the seat I would take.
the Guidence councler looked at me kinda funny and started to stammer something but I broke in saying. This seat will be fine. and she got this "oh chit" look on her face and walked out.

A few min later the Vise principle walked in and went like he was going to sit in the seat I was in till he saw me sitting there arms folded across my chest grinning at him. Then he too got that funny "oh chit" look on his face and sat down in one of the other seats

So he adresses these "concerns" they had about what they found in the book showing them to us.
I was like "and?"
They tried telling me they were concerned he might be involved in some sort of Nazi ism. I looked at the book again. loooked at him and said.
"I dont think you get it. Two of his very best friends are Jewish. another is Black. and another again is Polish. These kids come over my house, eat over my house and even sleep over my house.
the one thing this kid isnt. is racist. Besides. If you look again you will see that He's not claiming to be a Nazi. He is saying YOU are a Nazi".
"And if thats his opinion of you. Well.. thats his opinion of you. You cant legislate individual thought."

Then he went on about the kids he is known to hang out with from time to time.
The kids in question. the Jew and the Black...yea ok
Now Im getting pissed
the he goes on about him cooring in the eyes in the cartoons in the book saying there may be an indication of physchological problems. and they want to test him.

Now Im REALLY getting pissed.
"this whole thing sreeks of Bulls)$(#@ and political correctness"
You called me out of work because he doodled in a book?
YOU have never doodled in a book? And because friends of his tell jokes?

There is nothing wrong with this kid. He hasnt been in trouble for anythign since the first grade when he got in trouble for fighting back against a kid that was picking on him. and he did that at my instruction.

So the meeting ends. What wasnt told to me then and what my son later told me later after he figured out he wasnt in trouble with me for anything other then to tell him to use a bit more common sense in what he doodles where. Was that when they called him in. the searched him went though his pockets and wallet wanting to knwo where he got his money from. and they patted him down.

Now Im furious. Fortunately this was fri night and not monday morning.

so I call up the Vice priciple Monday. a bit calmer then I was on Fri night. And say to him. Was there anything you didnt tell me on friday that happend"
He was like" No, I dont think so"
"did you search my kid, and go through his stuff and his wallet?"
"Well yes we did, we have the right...."
I broke in, "No. You dont seach my kid"
Him "but..."
"No you DONT search my kid without my permission unless he is being arrested for something. and its none of your )$(# buisness what is in his wallet or how he got his money. Am I understood?"

"Yes But..."
"AM  I  UNDERSTOOD"
"Yes"

I continued. "Yanno I have been giving it some thought over the weekedn about the "Nazi" comments in the book and everything that happendd and I am now inclined to agree with my son that yes, you are indeed Nazi like."

He was like "Well I take offence to that"
to which I told him "Well lets look at it this way. You took him out of his class and called us in because he wrote soemthign you didnt like, altered pictures i a way you didnt like and because of people he accosiated with.
Isnt that what we did in the Mc Carthy Era? Isnt that was the KGB did in Soviet Russia. and isnt that what the Gestapo did in Nazi Germany?"

"Well yes but...."
No butts. I'm done hearing what you have to say.
I am telling you this though. If he actually does something legitimately wrong. then please, by all means call me I'll back you to the hilt BUT
IF you ever do that again again over stupid BS and search him again without notifying me first  and he wasnt actually being placed under arrested for something.
I AM going to come down there and in turn search YOU. Because I now view you as a potential threat.
And I am going to do it with all the subtlety of a jackhammer in the process."

"You know I could veiw that as a terroristic threat"
"Buddy, you can view that any way you want. Im just telling you wats going to happen if you pull this kind of BS again.. Best way for you to prevent it. is to not let it happen again. In short. unless he has actually done something. Leave my kid alone."

Neither myself, or my son heard the guy so much as say boo to either of us in the next two years.

I did hear he almost got fired and did receive some sort of diciplinary action against him though the next year for doing  alost the same thing to someone else. Problem there was the kids father was a lawyer.
School boards hate lawyers LOL
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2006, 02:05:04 PM »
Almost similar situation happened to me Dred.  One day they decide to bring in drug sniffing dogs to sniff all the lockers.  For some odd reason, the dog hones in on mine.  They call my name over the PA system to come to the office.

I just happened to be sick that day with a migraine.  That's when they decided to search for me around school because I didn't show up to the office.  My father and I only learn about it next day.  


You may or may not have heard stories about my dad in the past.  He could make someone piss out a kidney stone from pure fear.  One of my proudest features is that I have inherited his voice and the power to intimidate idiots.  Only got to use it once or twice though.

So anyway, the next day my father and I get called into the office.  My dad asks me to step out of the office.  From outside the door I hear mention of lawsuits, physical violence, handsomehunkes and rectally implanted gourds.  

The principal was so scared that I believe those students who did get caught with drugs even got off, just to exonerate my name.  The principal then went on to send out an "Apology" letter to the entire school, not mentioning names but claiming that they were retards and it would never happen again.  It didn't happen again, at least until I graduated.
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