Author Topic: The Army's boot camp is now easier than the Air Force's (Read 2750 times)

red26 · « **Reply #45 on:** November 06, 2006, 06:52:01 PM »

I went to Fort Lost In the Woods in 2000 And there they kicked our arshes Like the man said above I never saw 8 hours of sleep until grad night. I hope they dont think that this new treatment is going to win us any wars?

Any one here remmember getting SMOKED in BCT? Or Gorrila Drills? Front Back Go's?

Yea this is the Army I want on my front lines:rofl

BCT is trying to make things hard for a reason IE WAR.

HA HA I can see this-Sgt. SAYS- Pvt.GO GET AHOULD OF THAT 50 AND SUPRESS THE ENEMY!!!!!

Pvt, relpy's STOP YELLING A ME ILL PULL MY STRESS CARD OUT !!!!! I QUIT!!!! MOMMYYYYYYYYY.

Face it guys our Army is failing hard. Now we will have to call the MARINES to get something done.

DJ111 · « **Reply #46 on:** November 06, 2006, 06:59:00 PM »

I'll be leaving for MCRD, San Diego in about a week.

I've heard from Marines that have just graduated that it wasn't as tough as it's made out to be, but mentally it screwed with them alot.

They've also said that a Gen.Salinas (sp?) just made it a little easier. Like during The Crucible instead of 3 MRE's to every 2 men, it's 6 or so. The packs were lightened too.

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #47 on:** November 06, 2006, 07:00:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Yup, or going to the "pit". The dreaded sand pit was a rough experience.

I'm not kidding here when I say I just got rid of a kid that litteraly crumpled up and went into the fetal position just from me raising my voice at him. I was at my desk, he was standing in my doorway getting counsled for his poor performance.

Just from getting yelled at he broke and my voice can't physically hurt him unless it's right next to his ear. It took 5 weeks and a bunch of paperwork to finally get him out on an admin sep for failure to adapt.

We had a "pit" in my "basic". It was an old tennis court that had the pavement removed leaving behind rocks and some sand. At first whole companies would go there and do pt for most of the night. Our DIs were ex-Marines and went all out on us. Being 13 at the time alot of kids couldnt handle it. There were a large number of injuries including broken bones. Its hard to explain it but it wasnt meant to be. The DI's were investigated and discharged from the program. The Army officers that ran Fort Drum heard of the events that took place and decided to not invite the program to hold future trainings on their base.

Ive staffed alot of our boot camps in the past few years. In the beginning it was pretty much anything goes as per making ricks do pt and punishment. But as the years went by it went to the CCs and ACCs doing the punishment with the ricks to eventually only officers being able to make the ricks do pt.

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #48 on:** November 06, 2006, 07:02:42 PM »

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Originally posted by DJ111
I'll be leaving for MCRD, San Diego in about a week.

I've heard from Marines that have just graduated that it wasn't as tough as it's made out to be, but mentally it screwed with them alot.

They've also said that a Gen.Salinas (sp?) just made it a little easier. Like during The Crucible instead of 3 MRE's to every 2 men, it's 6 or so. The packs were lightened too.

Your gona be a Hollywood Marine. They issue sunglasses at basic.

Good luck bud. If you end up being a fleet Marine I'll buy you a few drinks once we reach a port. Heck, I'll buy you a few in any port if your a fleet Marine or not.

DJ111 · « **Reply #49 on:** November 06, 2006, 07:08:08 PM »

I asked my Recruiter if there was any chance I could go to the Island, but he told me no, so...

Sweet, hope I can take ya up on that soon.

I'm going for 0331, btw

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #50 on:** November 06, 2006, 07:12:51 PM »

When I was going to sign up for the Marines I asked the recruiter about going to the Island. He said that anyone living west of the Mississippi goes to San Diego. Everyone East goes to the Island. The only exception being that if your father or grandfather went to the Island you can go there.

Whats a 0331 ?

I'll be a AT (Aviation Technician) Good chance I'll be stationed on a carrier.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #51 on:** November 06, 2006, 07:14:58 PM »

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Originally posted by BlueJ1
December 13th is my first day at Great Lakes. 10 days after my birthday. Im not expecting it to be very hard. But having a 6 year advantage over other recruits I think it gives me a better mindset of what is coming. The hardest part I find is leaving my family and my friends behind. Im spending this month collecting addresses and phone numbers of my friends and family.

Few weeks ago a buddy of mine just got back from Marine Corp. basic. First thing he said to me was "they still hit you."

You beat my birthday by one day.

Btw, I heard from a buddy who got back from Marine boot that they didn't lay a finger on them. So I guess it varies.

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #52 on:** November 06, 2006, 07:16:53 PM »

My source is from a kid who would lie about it tho. Just to make himself look more hard-core.

Wasnt there a incident in the news not long about about abuse at a Navy boot camp? A recruit ending up drowning I think...

You share a B-day with Tyra Banks and Jay-Z. Im with Ozzy!

DJ111 · « **Reply #53 on:** November 06, 2006, 07:19:06 PM »

0331 is a Machine Gunner.

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #54 on:** November 06, 2006, 07:22:58 PM »

Cool!

Mmm M240...

DJ111 · « **Reply #55 on:** November 06, 2006, 07:24:01 PM »

Mk.19, M2, AND M240...

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #56 on:** November 06, 2006, 07:40:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Hornet33
Please tell me your not saying the AK-47 is a better rifle than the M-16?

The M-16 is eazier to shoot, has longer range, is more acurate, and if properly maintained is just as reliable.

The only advantage the AK has over the M-16 is any idiot can use it. The M-16 needs a properly trained person to use and maintain it.

Personaly I'd rather have a trained person with an M-16 by my side than an idiot with an AK-47.

Oh lookie here, we have a weapons expert.

The Ak-47 had much looser tolerances than the M-16. Therefore, under actual combat conditions, it *worked*. Fully automatic, firing rounds heavy enough to cause serious damage, the AK-47 was and is a much more suitable rifle for the average grunt than the M-16.

The ole '16 deathrap claims victims every war. Remember those transport guys who got caught in an ambush. They were ready and willing to fight their way out- except for one thing. Their pos M-16 sand-magnets wouldn't work.

Ask the soldiers in Baghdad what ranges they are engaging targets at. 5m-50m would be the average.

culero · « **Reply #57 on:** November 06, 2006, 08:12:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Mightytboy
How could anything be easier than the USAF boot camp?

I went through it in '82 and I actually gained 10lbs because I got out of shape.

The most we did in a day was 25 pushups 25 jumping jacks 25 sit ups and ran as a group for 1 1/4 mile.

Getting yelled at only happened if you didn't make your bed right or if your locker was out of order.

Pretty much exactly like my experience from 1971 as well. I was in better physical shape going in than going out.

Maybe now that Gunslinger is there its tuffer

culero (well, we only had to do 15 pushups and situps)

Hornet33 · « **Reply #58 on:** November 06, 2006, 09:02:34 PM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Oh lookie here, we have a weapons expert.

The Ak-47 had much looser tolerances than the M-16. Therefore, under actual combat conditions, it *worked*. Fully automatic, firing rounds heavy enough to cause serious damage, the AK-47 was and is a much more suitable rifle for the average grunt than the M-16.

The ole '16 deathrap claims victims every war. Remember those transport guys who got caught in an ambush. They were ready and willing to fight their way out- except for one thing. Their pos M-16 sand-magnets wouldn't work.

Ask the soldiers in Baghdad what ranges they are engaging targets at. 5m-50m would be the average.

I'm something of a weapons expert, yes. I currently own 42 (rifles, pistols, and shotguns) personal weapons, and I've fired just about every personal and crew served weapon in the military. I also own one of each and I prefer my M-16 over the AK any day of the week. The only reason I have an AK was because it was only $300 so I figured why not.

I also served in Desert Storm, cleaned my rifle twice a day and never had a problem with it. It fired everytime I pulled the trigger.

Now with that being said, I never claimed the AK was a piece of crap. It is a good assult rifle, but all things being equal, the M-16 is a better piece of equipment. It is lighter, easier to shoot, more accurate, and has longer range. Pound for pound you can also carry more ammo with an M-16 since the 5.56mm is almost twice as light as the 7.62x39 round for the AK.

And as far as the Looser Tolorances so it "worked" in combat statement. I saw that program on the military channel also.

Anyways like I said, I'll take an M-16 over an AK any day of the week. I base that on my experiance with it in combat and my use of the one I own at the range.

VOR · « **Reply #59 on:** November 06, 2006, 09:14:03 PM »

My experiences and opinions differ, but to each their own. I'd rather not have to clean my weapon twice a day, and with a Stoner design it's pretty much a understood that you'd better.