Place yer Votes: Remove the F4U-1c ??

[cokerr]

I fly the "C" I also fly other planes as well. I die a lot more in the "C" than I get kills. Why do I fly it......................
1-) Its Big
2-) Its got bent wings
3-) Its Blue
4-) Its real purdy  
5-) With my gunnery skills, I need those cannon.

I vote keep it!

coker

[Azrael]

Remove? No.

But it's certainly decreasing the fun with the sim, so a thought out gameplay balance could be an option maybe?

Az

II.(K)/JG2

[-duma-]

 

Originally posted by HaHa:
f4u1c should be removed - maybe then we'll see typhoons

No! No more Typhoons!

Currently I'm almost unique and everyone seems to think the Typhoon sucks. Don't let them actually try to LEARN how to fly it! Please!  

[Hangtime]

Many times the case has been made 'It's the Pilot; Not the plane'.

"The quality of the box matters little. Success depends on the man who sits in it"
--- Baron Manfred von Richthofen

It would seem at first glance that the 1-c with its 4 hispanos kinda wipes that idea into the crapper.

"Good flying never killed an enemy yet"
---- Ed Mannock. RAF; 73 Victories WWI

With the exception of a few system awarded manuver kills; the same is true here. You need to lay ordinance on the target. Gunnery is required.

"The most important thing in flying was shooting, next the various tactics in comming into a fight and last of all flying ability itself."
---- Billy Bishop. RAF 73 victories WWI

Ahhhh.. now we get to the crux.. That gunnery; more than the A/C or the Pilot is a key factor for killing consistently.

"... the best was when you made one pass; shot an opponent down quickly; and pulled back up. The secret was to do the job in one pass... "
---- Erich Rudorffer, LW, 222 Victories WWII

And; here we see that killing 'em fast is crucial too.

Take a mediocre pilot and drop him in a 1-c hawg; you've got a very dangerous situation for even a skilled opponent. One touch; one snapshot and yer toast.. Take a good pilot and stick him in the 1-c and yah have a heluva problem on your hands. Put a great pilot in one and you have a funeral every 20 seconds.

Pull the plane?? Nope. Not after reading this thread; tho truth be told prior to the very good discussions in the previous posts I was willing to vote for elimination.

Now; I'm looking at those range icons... get rid of them. Lets make the gunnery more realistic!

"Aerial Gunnery is 90 percent instinct and 10 percent aim."
---- Fred Libby; RFC, 1st American Ace WWI

LETS GET THE FOCUS BACK ON SKILLS; ELIMINATE RANGE ICONS IN THE MA!

my .02

Hang

[easymo]

 The reason I play AH. We got uber out the ass. On agw I use to read different ideas to try and duplicate the fear of death. Ive never read a thread like that on this BB. Here,one badly planned attack and you dont go home. The 1C is just part of that. And yes i do remember torque in the NIk2. I dont want him back in it .

[Nash]

serious?  

Nay.

[ArkanReb]

Fatty I'm gonna suggest to Gordo we skip the demerits this time and just place ya in the hole this time.Leave George outta this.Besides isn't George your next favorite ride other than Hogs  

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[Sox]

I say keep it in there. You all can learn not to get in the way of its cannons. Who on the battle feild runs right in to the lions mouth, Run i say, jump weave any thing so it dont have a stright shot on ya. I love killing em, You know damn well that thay cant see you becuase of the blind spot in the rear. And most of them that i see cant fly em sept for Torque. Then you best IMO run faster, and pray to God. At least kiss your but goodby. Like any plane if it is flown right it can be a killer. There all death traps or killers it all in the pilot.

[Creamo]

Even though Fatty has a good point, screw him.

The F4U-C has lasers, sure, but I have yet to get them behind a plane consistant, and that is reason enough to let it be. It's just a squeak to fly.

At least in the F4U-C, when you totally suck you get killed. It gets slow, it can't turn great, and ya can't even see Gordo driving a Mobile home towing a pizza parlor behind you. For those reasons I don't drive it.

However, the P51, in the hands of a dweeb all the way to a master of the game, will ALWAYS be unbeatable. It, just runs away.

Boom, Zoom, Point her South, get away soon.

Yeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuk!

So delete that crappy plane is ONE has to be deleted.But deleting planes is bad.

[Hristo]

Keep it.

Just do not make much noise when we get the 262  

[jarbo]

I say keep it..... just tone down the guns, or really up the tank armour (upping tank armour not my favorite choice)

Jarbo
of the Buccaneers

[air_spro]

 

Originally posted by Hangtime:


LETS GET THE FOCUS BACK ON SKILLS; ELIMINATE RANGE ICONS IN THE MA!

my .02

Hang

This has my vote !!!!!! But just the range



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[bloom25]

I'd hate to see any plane removed.  I would like Pyro to make sure that the lethality of its guns are correct.  IMO they are just too much.

(I find it interesting from the stats above that the 190 puts out more lead per salvo, but I know that it can't kill with just a couple hits.)

The F4u-1c isn't an uber-plane, IMO it's the easiest plane to shoot down when it's below you.  What makes it so special is its guns.



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[indian]

RAM that was a joke most took it that way, all that have read my post know I want all types of planes in the game. Pyros post  should show all the way the game is heading they have said before they want to stand out among the WWII Aircombat sims and the only way is to do plane that have not been done before. If they realy wanted to unbalance the arena they would have put in the F4U-4B.

Now if hairball will shut up and let Hangtime have his keyboard back wwe wont  need this post again.

By the for hairball I have 2 breeds of dogs in my house and turn and burn beagle and a boom and zoom German Shepard.  

By the way I dont hate cats just like cat jokes.  

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[humble]

The 1-c is the weakest plane in the set in alot of area's...without a serious E advantage it's a very difficult bird to survive in. Most of the good 1-C drivers would be just as effective in a 190,1-d or pony...as for the guns...I really don't see that much differance vs 4 20mm in 190,4 20mm in nikki,4 20mm in tiffie, or 3 20mm in 109 with regard to leathality...one good shot in any and parts fly off.

Now the range/ammo load out is certainly an issue...and the 1-c "dweeb kill" is out there...but 90% of the guys who got me in the damm thing either bounced my bellybutton while I was occupied...or suprised the hell out of me with a good "go for broke" snap shot...both are just part of the game to me...ya pay your money...pick your ride...and take your chances.

Most of the really good sticks in here are kind of like bear bryant...they whup ya with their plane...then come on back and wup ya with yours...it's not the wood wupping on ya...it's the guy holding tha damm bat .