Author Topic: Place yer Votes: Remove the F4U-1c ?? (Read 2555 times)

jr · « **Reply #75 on:** May 14, 2000, 01:27:00 PM »

I don't have a problem with it. If we had the D9 people would be crying about it. I think some get frustated because they just can't conquer this game. I do hate to see a high F4u when I am in a pony but war is hell!

-ammo- · « **Reply #76 on:** May 14, 2000, 03:56:00 PM »

Keep it--why in the world would you want to get rid of any AC!

yes it 4 20mm are powerfull--they are supposed to be.

Stayu away from the business end of those guns. In AH, all the cannons are bad news--

I agree with all of verms points too.

Voss · « **Reply #77 on:** May 14, 2000, 06:08:00 PM »

I don't want it removed, but the Panzer definitely needs stronger armor against it. One F4U1C can kill six panzers handily. That's just ridiculous.

How many 20mm rounds = 1000lbs of eggs?

SnakeEyes · « **Reply #78 on:** May 14, 2000, 08:00:00 PM »

Hristo:

Be careful of what you ask for, you just might get it. I seem to recall that only 700 or so 190Ds were ever produced. And only one squad of Ta152s really saw any combat.

In any event, I suspect that the same rule applies here as applied in WB... 1 Ping Sound is not equal to only 1 Ping Hitting.

PS - I think you're right, Lazs. I've always taken my 1 ping death medicine like a good boy. But perhaps that's because I tote 6x50s around. The Grey boys are only used to dishing-out the one-ping kills... and it seems that they don't take their medicine real well.

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Pyro · « **Reply #79 on:** May 14, 2000, 09:10:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Ghosth:
Do NOT rememove the 1-c from the game. DO recheck the figures on the Hispano's

I have been going over a lot of weapon details this weekend and will continue to this week. Regardless, the 1C isn't going to be the biggest baddest plane in this game. Nastier planes will be coming, but some things will be changing in a couple versions that will balance things out and increase the fun factor.

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Soulyss · « **Reply #80 on:** May 14, 2000, 11:07:00 PM »

Darnit Pyro that's like giving a damp sponge to someone who's been stranded in the desert for a week.

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StSanta · « **Reply #81 on:** May 15, 2000, 12:52:00 AM »

SnakeEyes wrote:

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PS - I think you're right, Lazs. I've always taken my 1 ping death medicine like a good boy. But perhaps that's because I tote 6x50s around. The Grey boys are only used to dishing-out the one-ping kills... and it seems that they don't take their medicine real well.

The grey boys are the LW, yes?

PLEASE oh PLEASE come join me in my 109 and watch me do the one ping wonder thing. Think it is safe to say that 6*50's is a more powerful package than 1*20 +2*13mm.

On a good day, I use about 50 rounds of 20mm, including misses. When I hit an enemy, it sure does not go down with one hit. it goes down when I get an aspect shot off from short distance landing lots of rounds in a very small area. I got some films if ya wanna see

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Glasses · « **Reply #82 on:** May 15, 2000, 01:05:00 AM »

F4u-1C OUT OUT!!!

easymo · « **Reply #83 on:** May 15, 2000, 01:26:00 AM »

"Nastier planes will be comeing".

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Goob · « **Reply #84 on:** May 15, 2000, 02:07:00 AM »

As if! I love the 1C. It stays...

Hristo · « **Reply #85 on:** May 15, 2000, 02:38:00 AM »

Is cannon-Hog uber ? Never ! Only whiners call it uber. The plane is just too damn ugly to be uber. It is just a fantasy crutch for certain pilots, pulled out of the closet to satisfy the cannon envy

Keep it, kill it, strafe the chutes of cannon-Hoggers

There is nothing manly in cannon-Hoggin people around. Period. D-Hogging, otoh, is quite different category. I have much respect for these guys.

Santa, do not pay too much attention to a guy with scary name who doesn't even play AH. However, that doesn't seem to stop him to contionously advocate certain side and deny the other side a plane which was actually there. Not to mention the blabbing of a certain manly guy. What makes him so manly anyway. Flying one of the ugliest planes in history ?

However, do not remove the cannon Hog. Do not remove the Hispanos. Fix MK 108. Dump the icons. And yes, give us the antidote for this fantasy-Hog. A historical LW plane will do.

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Jochen · « **Reply #86 on:** May 15, 2000, 02:53:00 AM »

Keep it!

From score database, tour 3:

jochen has 9 kills and has been killed 1 time against the F4U-1C.

Now, I can accept that. And I fly 109's and 190's only. Those cannons are problem only when they point to you so don't let him point them to you. It's simple as that!

On the other hand...

jochen has 6 kills and has been killed 5 times against the B-26B.

I don't know what to think about this one?

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Saintaw · « **Reply #87 on:** May 15, 2000, 05:02:00 AM »

Don't remove it, I like it when I fly it

Jekyll · « **Reply #88 on:** May 15, 2000, 05:50:00 AM »

Keep the 1C but dump the range information on the icons.

So much of defensive ACM relies on forcing overshoots (scissors, high G barrel rolls etc)

Perfect range info allows shooters to open up at 600 yds with a very real possibility of getting a kill. Dump the range info = shorten the firing range = increased value of overshoot ACM.

IMHO, the very best thing brand W ever did was bring in close range killing. Energy fights became viable, and BnZ was given a whole new lease of life.

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Pyro once asked, "Do we want complete accuracy in the modeling of the gunnery, or do we want to model accuratly the historical result of the gunnery?

You can't do a perfectly accurate gunnery model WITHOUT also perfectly simulating the conditions under which the gun was fired (no perfect range data).

Do one, without doing both, and you finish up with a LESS accurate model IMHO. Or how about wing flexing of the Spitfire in high G turns, leading to increased bullet dispersion? Is THAT modelled in AH?

Should it be, in order to have a 'perfectly accurate gun model'? Barrel overheat and wear? Gun jams?

There is a LOT more to a perfectly accurate gunnery model than ensuring that the rounds fly a proper ballistic path!

Dump the range icons ..... NOW! (Please

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bike killa · « **Reply #89 on:** May 15, 2000, 06:17:00 AM »

Keep it!

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