Author Topic: WTG No Knock (Read 7290 times)

Shuffler · « **Reply #135 on:** December 15, 2006, 03:50:55 PM »

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Originally posted by bsdaddict
what conversation are you taking part in? we're talking about no-knock raids, there's no "red handed" anything going on, 'cept mebbe sleeping...

Read the previous post on this thread and you'll be enlightened...

MotorOil1 · « **Reply #136 on:** December 15, 2006, 04:51:42 PM »

Do you cut hair or drive taxi Lazs? And do you know me? I'm not ashamed of the children I've saved, the druggies I've saved from themselves or the arresting the guys moving illegal weapons through the ports of the biggest arms dealer on the planet. No one has ever complained to the department about our tactics and no innocent citizen ever had their home raided by us. We have recieved a lot of praise and thanks from concerned residents for removing these guys from the streets.

It's too bad the media doesn't find successful raids where no shots were fired interesting enough to publish. Even if they did publish it you wouldn't find it interesting as there is no controversy in it.

There's no comparison as to what's going on in Iraq and what's happening in the US. Read between the lines Lazs, the incident in this thread as with the whole Iraq thing was sparked by bad intelligence.

And before you reply, lets just assume you and I both disagree with why there are troops in Iraq.

Chairboy · « **Reply #137 on:** December 26, 2006, 11:09:07 AM »

Here's another one:

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=81092

While serving a warrant, the police fired a flashbang into their house which started a fire and burned it down. I wonder if this is another artifact of the SWAT mentality discussed earlier in the thread.

There are no saints, and I'm sure that the police execute accurate warrants the vast majority of the time, but treating each incident as a military operation is anathema to the role police have traditionally had in our communities.

lukster · « **Reply #138 on:** December 26, 2006, 12:16:41 PM »

What kind of people run up their flag after killing their neighboring women and children?

lukster · « **Reply #139 on:** December 26, 2006, 12:32:07 PM »

I have to add a comment. When Bush wanted to monitor the overseas phone calls of suspected terrorists it was a serious breach of our liberties. When Clinton's administration sanctioned the assault at Waco it was serving justice to religious fanatics. Some will fail to see the travesty or irony in this.

lazs2 · « **Reply #140 on:** December 26, 2006, 01:59:41 PM »

motoroil... no.. I do not know you but if you are breaking into citizens homes in the middle of the night then you are the enemy. I am sure that you have gotten actual crooks and saved actual lives. I am simply saying that it is not worth it.

The cases of your (in the broad sense) killing and destroying the lives of innocent citizens are real and numerous... your (in the broad sense) "war on drugs" or "war on the second amendment" is not worth the missery you are causing. If it weren't for your making drugs illegal you wouldn't even have drug dealers to contend with.... same for silly gun laws.

I am trying to see how you can justify the killing of all those women and poor little kids at Waco or the shooting of the weavers son and wife... all for... for what? How is your sneaky ninja crap justified when you could have resolved these simple little infractions with one local sheriff sans mask and early morning raid?

They say that we have to be very careful when we execute someone... that he needs all those appeals so that an innocent man is not killed.... but... we have you buffoons breaking into houses in the middle of the night and killing and destroying on worthless warrants. Nope.. I don't cut hair...

I don't cowboy out anymore either. I was a criminal many years ago. I know what it is like to be in an armed confrontation. I never thought that I would need 40 guys to take down a grandmas house tho.

You are not soldiers... there is no war here. You are servants of the public.

I know a lot of cops... they risk everything every day when they pull over a drunk or break up a domestic dispute... they don't need to get 40 guys to help em... they don't wear masks..

The beat cop is a brave servant of the people. I don't know what the masked ninjas are but they are in the wrong country.

lazs

Chairboy · « **Reply #141 on:** April 26, 2007, 07:15:11 PM »

There has been a status update regarding the incident that started this thread:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070426/ap_on_re_us/elderly_shooting;_ylt=AgSYVupNSp.yr7kBlq.Jk_5H2ocA

Two of the officers involved have plead guilty to manslaughter, perjury, violating oath, and making false statements. Pretty crummy situation, all in all. I hope the practice of no-knock warrant execution is reviewed carefully.

Shamus · « **Reply #142 on:** April 26, 2007, 07:56:11 PM »

These guys give good LEO's a bad name, they really lucked out on the sentences , especially the one who planted the pot, he should be doing life.

shamus

Ripsnort · « **Reply #143 on:** April 26, 2007, 08:08:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Shamus
These guys give good LEO's a bad name, they really lucked out on the sentences , especially the one who planted the pot, he should be doing life.

shamus

I don't want to divert the thread, but....pot should be legal only because it would empty out the jails for more serious offenders of hard stuff like meth, crack, etc.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #144 on:** April 26, 2007, 08:30:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I don't want to divert the thread, but....pot should be legal only because it would empty out the jails for more serious offenders of hard stuff like meth, crack, etc.

you had me up to "of hard stuff..." how 'bout not jailing people for using recreational substances and only spending taxpayer dollars to jail people who are a threat to society, like robbers, rapists and murderers?

and to stay on topic, those LEOs got off easy. There isn't a punishment severe enough for them, IMHO. Consider this.., they got caught this once, how many lives do you think they've ruined prior to this incident?

Maverick · « **Reply #145 on:** April 26, 2007, 09:28:44 PM »

It's idiots (I have other words but they wouldn't be allowed on the bbs.) like that that give the rest of us a bad name. All it takes is a single instance of something like this and the public forgets all the rest of the decent Police Officers who do the right thing day after day.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #146 on:** April 26, 2007, 09:57:34 PM »

They got off easy. They deserve MUCH more time.

Elfie · « **Reply #147 on:** April 26, 2007, 10:20:43 PM »

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I had a plane captain that accidentally stepped over a "red line" at Nellis AFB

Anytime someone steps over the red line on the flight line of an AFB you can expect that to happen. Accidentally or not. There are specific entry points on any AFB flight line and you better be smart enough to use them if you don't want to end up flat on the ground on your face, cuffed with a loaded M-16 pressed tight to your body.

That Air Force Security Policeman did exactly as he had been instructed to do, there was no lack of judgement in his case.

Elfie · « **Reply #148 on:** April 26, 2007, 10:34:53 PM »

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"to protect and serve", is just something that they paint on their cars.

the cops are a brotherhood, if your not a cop you are a civilian and to a cop a civilian is just a perp that hasn't been caught yet.

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As a former officer, I can say in all honesty that's the biggest load of crap I've seen in quite a while.

Like it or not, that is how the police are perceived by many people these days, including myself. That is a perception that they have brought upon themselves. When a *brother* is more important to them than the people they are supposed to be protecting, how are we supposed to perceive that?

I'll give an example. A number of years ago a Denver police cruiser was found empty, door open with the lights on top still on. The entire Denver police dept. went on a 3 day search looking for this guy. (Turns out he just walked away from his job that day and turned himself in later). You NEVER see that kind of effort for a missing civilian...just doesn't happen. Police depts. will tell you they don't have the manpower to do that for every missing person. While I can accept that, I can't accept the Denver police dept. doing that for one of their *brothers* and refusing to do it for Joe/Jane citizen.

Their actions in that case tell me that, yes....they are a brotherhood and yes...they do think they are above Joe/Jane citizen in some way.

I've talked to officers that admit to never giving speeding tickets to other officers whether they are on duty or not. They refer to it as *professional courtesy*. I refer to it as *above the law*.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #149 on:** April 26, 2007, 10:38:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
It's idiots (I have other words but they wouldn't be allowed on the bbs.) like that that give the rest of us a bad name. All it takes is a single instance of something like this and the public forgets all the rest of the decent Police Officers who do the right thing day after day.

as they say, Maverick, one bad apple spoils the bunch. Personally, I try not to forget that there's countless LEOs who believe in the "serve and protect" part, but it's hard when coverups happen, bad cops get off easy, etc... How 'bout policing your own, holding yourselves up to a higher standard. After all, when you guys make mistakes or "go bad", innocents die.