WTG No Knock

[lasersailor184]

I personally think that the people should take responsibility.


That is to say that the people should inform the police forces, that anyone participating in a no-knock raid are guilty of criminal trespass, and are thus punishable by death.

How many no-knock raids do you think there would be?

[Ripsnort]

Charon,
My point is this:
Just because surgeons kill people by screwing up on a daily basis, you don't see many people crying and changing laws.

Yet you get an instance like this where the cops screw up, and you automatically say "WTG AMERKIA" like this is a common occurance.

Unbelievable....

[DoctorYO]

here is what some liberal rag    the Cato Institute has to say...

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476


http://www.cato.org/raidmap/


Note the interactive map has detailed descriptions of the shootings click your state.

This crap happens more than you think...

When scalia and the supes decided no knocking was legitimate the critics predicted this would happen..

Now 88 year olds are being jacked defending their own homes...

I could stomach this if there was accountability of these actions but its always someone elses fault...  read the statements..  its rarely we screwed up... always procedure, suspected, criminal record, wot, wod, oops, or insert whatever bogus entry you want to put in...


DoctorYo


PS:  Props to Cato for documenting this...

[Debonair]

i know where they aren't gonna film the golden girls reunion show:mad:

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Charon,
Yet you get an instance like this where the cops screw up, and you automatically say "WTG AMERKIA" like this is a common occurance.

if you care to do some research, you'll find that this HAS been happening with increasing frequency lately.  look up Cory Maye for a particularily egregious example.  The author of one of the blogs I read, Radley Balko, has written a paper detailing Cory's case and many others like it.  The paper's at http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476.  Foxnews covered it as well, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,205040,00.html

gotta love this "new professionalism"...

edit:  Cory's got a wikipedia enty now...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye

[Eagler]

Originally posted by rpm
It was just an innocent old lady. What's the problem? Hey Eagler, what's your Mom's address?

she died suddenly in 1989 at age 51 .. I was 29

Pulmonary embolism

you just made the twit list rpm

[Charon]

My point is this:
Just because surgeons kill people by screwing up on a daily basis, you don't see many people crying and changing laws.

Yet you get an instance like this where the cops screw up, and you automatically say "WTG AMERKIA" like this is a common occurance.

Unbelievable....:

Show me the part of the Bill of Rights where medical liability is mentioned.

What's unbelievable is that the state can kick in your door with no knock, armed like a military force on little more than the word of a street hood all because it is a convenience for the state. If things are as stated, the "mistake" is not the ****ing issue -- directly. Mistakes do happen. The issue is how the "mistake" came to pass -- that they can do this now with apparently no more just cause than the word of someone you wouldn't normally trust asking the time of day. That is un American. Why do you hate freedom Rip

Charon

[Mightytboy]

Did we miss the part where she shot 3 cops?

[Charon]

Did we miss the part where she shot 3 cops?

You mean the armed "intruders" that forced their way into her house in the middle of the night, apparently with no real proof of criminal activity and without clearly identifying themselvs as police officers as would have been previously required under the Knock and announce rules. No, at least I didn't miss that part.

You could perhaps argue that this is bad policy for the police as well. Someone thinking they are defending the home, family and life from  potential violent criminal "intruders" should be far more dangerous than your average low-level drug dealer knowing it's a valid police search.

Charon

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Mightytboy
Did we miss the part where she shot 3 cops?

You mean the part where she defended herself against an unannounced home invasion?  What would you do if a bunch of people blew down your door and stormed in with guns aimed at you?  

Are you a person who feels that rapists must also be protected from victims who defend themselves?

[lazs2]

the judge who issued the warrant should be fired and sued.

The cops involved should be fired and charged with murder.

the city should be sued for millions.

All citizens should learn to take headshots only on intruders or, they should have only semi auto full power rifles with full metal jacket ammo by the bedside.

Any cop found in a ninja suit should be publicly lynched.

lazs

[Shamus]

You guys seem to think a persons home is their castle, what do you think this is the 1970's or something?

In a war on drugs/terror you have to give up some of those rights that you used to have.

Get used to it...you aint seen nothing yet

shamus

[bsdaddict]

Inalienable \In*al"ien*a*ble\, a. [Pref. in- not + alienable:
   cf. F. inali['e]nable.]
   Incapable of being alienated, surrendered, or transferred to
   another; not alienable; as, in inalienable birthright.

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by Charon
Doesn't really sound like the police developed much of a case. An informant apparently "claimed" that he bought a couple of bags of crack from a "Sam" at the residence. I guess you don't need more than some street hood's claim before they kick down your door. No in-depth investigation, no "beyond a reasonable doubt," no "iron clad case" -- just violent search on rumor.


WTG Amerika!!!!

Charon

A search warrant only needs probable cause, we required 2 controlled buys to paper a drug house... but 1 is enough. "Beyond reasonable doubt" is not relevant to a search warrant, only in finding guilt or innocence at trail. And unless you have read their investigation, I'm not sure how you can comment on its quality based on a media report.

The police write a statement of facts and swear to it under oath before a judge signs it... if the judge thought it was enough, and they don't always, that's all the police need.

The so called "street hoods", also called CI's who are usually paid cash, are where the police get lots of great info, but CI's can be motivated to get rid of competition, or use the police to get some payback on an enemy.. which is why some agencies require separate and independent contacts.

This is only news because of the age of the old lady, and that she was a dead eye shot hitting 3 officers, there's NOTHING new or unusual about this warrant.

If you think using grannys house to slang is beyond the drug dealers, think again...

[lazs2]

who cares?

you surround the house and You plug the sewer and you knock on the frigging door.  

If that don't work you use a bullhorn and you announce that if no one opens the door you will break it down because you have a warrant to search.

lazs