Author Topic: WTG No Knock (Read 7272 times)

VOR · « **Reply #45 on:** November 28, 2006, 04:54:11 PM »

Enforcing poorly written laws and exploiting loopholes is as bad as writing them poorly or with loopholes. The *real* difference (and the one that really matters to most people) is who is kicking in their door Gestapo style at 3am.

VOR · « **Reply #46 on:** November 28, 2006, 05:06:38 PM »

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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Police tactics have been molded by years of experience, case law, Dept policy, and FBI training you cannot possibly begin to imagine.

I'd ask for further explanation, but I don't think we could possibly understand the answer.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #47 on:** November 28, 2006, 05:16:00 PM »

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Again, I don't particularly blame the grunt officer on the ground

I DO

Regardless of the laws, it is the ground troop's sole responsibility to determine if what they are doing is moral.

I say give them all the death penalty.

john9001 · « **Reply #48 on:** November 28, 2006, 05:26:31 PM »

"to protect and serve", is just something that they paint on their cars.

the cops are a brotherhood, if your not a cop you are a civilian and to a cop a civilian is just a perp that hasn't been caught yet.

edit>>>> "i was just following orders" did not work for the nazis.

LePaul · « **Reply #49 on:** November 28, 2006, 05:26:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Mightytboy
Did we miss the part where she shot 3 cops?

Err, don't they yell "POLICE" as they enter?

She shot at 3 of em. I mean...people, asides getting stuck on whether were allowed to enter or not is kinda moot. If you take 3 shots at policemen identifying themselves as such...that's a different story.

As for the "CATO" institute....anytime I hear that name, I think of that twit that lived with OJ Simpson....

Flatbar · « **Reply #50 on:** November 28, 2006, 05:50:04 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
"to protect and serve", is just something that they paint on their cars.

the cops are a brotherhood, if your not a cop you are a civilian and to a cop a civilian is just a perp that hasn't been caught yet.

edit>>>> "i was just following orders" did not work for the nazis.

A voice from the right that I find myself agreeing with in this instance, wierd, huh?

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #51 on:** November 28, 2006, 06:03:42 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
"to protect and serve", is just something that they paint on their cars.

the cops are a brotherhood, if your not a cop you are a civilian and to a cop a civilian is just a perp that hasn't been caught yet.

edit>>>> "i was just following orders" did not work for the nazis.

As a former officer, I can say in all honesty that's the biggest load of crap I've seen in quite a while. The nazi reference is true brilliance as well.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #52 on:** November 28, 2006, 06:05:12 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I DO

Regardless of the laws, it is the ground troop's sole responsibility to determine if what they are doing is moral.

I say give them all the death penalty.

I say why don't you go try to the the job for a while. If you have the nerve, the will, and the ability.

Dago · « **Reply #53 on:** November 28, 2006, 06:51:14 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I DO

Regardless of the laws, it is the ground troop's sole responsibility to determine if what they are doing is moral.

I say give them all the death penalty.

Spoken like someone who has never made entrance into a crack house to make an arrest.

Sixpence · « **Reply #54 on:** November 28, 2006, 07:00:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I say why don't you go try to the the job for a while. If you have the nerve, the will, and the ability.

I'll take the job, and i'll use my ability to speak up and say how wrong this is. Just because you are an officer doesn't mean you are not a civilian anymore.

We have state troopers speaking out here and having their union step in on a civilian related matter. The inurance companies are badgering the state to hand out tickets, along with the state wanting money. They are trying to make warnings count as less time on the job, they want them to hand out tickets. Tickets will count as more time served on the clock towards ot as opposed to a warning.

The troopers see this as an obvious ploy and are really pissed. They don't write out a ticket to someone unless they really deserve one. The cost of a ticket is the ticket plus $50.00 a year(6 years) to the insurance co. They are trained to "think twice before you take $600.00 out of someone's pocket".

When something is wrong with the system they should have the balls to speak up. They are breaking into an innocent's home and blowing them away, that's pretty ****ed up. The very people you are supposed to protect!

I agree with Lazs 100%

This lady was 88 years old and defending herself from intruders who broke into her home in the middle of the night

They just murdered an 88 year old lady in cold blood, it was an assassination. You break into someone's home at that time of night you should expect to be fired upon, knowing this you are expecting to shoot someone. You are provoking a firefight.

I don't agree with this policy at all, but if you are going to use it you better make damn sure you have the right house. If you don't you should be held accountable and it should cost you your job.

ByeBye · « **Reply #55 on:** November 28, 2006, 07:06:57 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
who cares?

you surround the house and You plug the sewer and you knock on the frigging door.

If that don't work you use a bullhorn and you announce that if no one opens the door you will break it down because you have a warrant to search.

lazs

That's exactly right. No reason at all to bust a door down and provoke a conflict with either a criminal or an innocent home owner.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #56 on:** November 28, 2006, 07:17:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Mace2004
Something similar happened in Southern California about 10 or 15 years ago. Some informant was paid for information and he named a street address. Cops broke down the door in the middle of the night without warning. Guy and his wife were in bed and I believe he reached for his nightstand in the dark and the cops morted him. The address turned out to be just a random address the informant gave. Cops claimed "self-defense" and I don't believe any were disciplined although the city paid out a nice little sum.

There was one like that in San Diego about 14 years ago. Man's house is raided with a warrant from faulty information from an informant. The man is nearly killed and a Customs agent was wounded.

Poway man wounded in shoot out.

ack-ack

ByeBye · « **Reply #57 on:** November 28, 2006, 07:20:43 PM »

There was also one like it in Phoenix about 8 years ago. The man and his wife were killed by "bounty hunters" who broke into the wrong house in the middle of the night.

They broke down the door and entered the bedroom, and the guy opend fire on them.

Granted, it was not the police, but it's the same thing really.

Chairboy · « **Reply #58 on:** November 28, 2006, 07:27:13 PM »

Ack-Ack, ByeBye, you guys are terrorists for believing there's anything wrong with that. Just ask Capt Virgil Hits, I'm sure he'll tell you that those people might have been innocent of what the WARRANTS said, but they were probably guilty of SOMETHING!

If an officer does something, it _becomes_ the law. Haven't you been listening?

rpm · « **Reply #59 on:** November 28, 2006, 07:42:45 PM »

Holy crap! I'm in 100% agreement with everything Lazs posted.