Author Topic: Does this news from the Middle East surprise anyone here? (Read 3536 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #90 on:** December 04, 2006, 08:55:00 AM »

well... I guess the vikings have the solution to world problems... just ignore them.

Not a bad solution really... especialy if you are a powerful country...you can isolate.. it does work. If you are a weak and impotent country like the viking ones... you really have no choice soooo.. that may taint how you look at the actions of the powerful ones.

I would still say that a nationwide vote would be about 90% that the people wanted the U.S. to stay for some time yet.

I see no problem with splitting up the country into 2 or 3 chunks.

and why not? according to most here... they are all barbarians that are better off even under a genocidal maniac like the sadman! the muslims are barbaric savages who can't help themselves right?

Maybe that is the only way to do it... they haven't progressed in their religion or society past the 9th century so why not just put em back into it all the way... first split up iraq and then chop iran into pieces?

lazs

Viking · « **Reply #91 on:** December 04, 2006, 09:42:22 AM »

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well... I guess the vikings have the solution to world problems... just ignore them.

World problem that only exist in the minds of your delusional leaders we happily ignore.

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Not a bad solution really... especialy if you are a powerful country...you can isolate.. it does work. If you are a weak and impotent country like the viking ones... you really have no choice soooo.. that may taint how you look at the actions of the powerful ones.

The war in Iraq and Afghanistan has shown the world just how powerful America is. Like a fat, impotent elephant in a glass store. The irony of your post is even more delicious now that the US recently requested even more troops from Norway and other NATO countries to help you out in Afghanistan.

The last superpower indeed; can't even handle one third world nation let alone two without begging for help from us "weak and impotent" countries.

Look at the great superpower. Does it smell like … victory?

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I would still say that a nationwide vote would be about 90% that the people wanted the U.S. to stay for some time yet.

Just like with the world problems mentioned above; I also happily ignore other fantasies from delusional people.

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I see no problem with splitting up the country into 2 or 3 chunks.

Of course you don't. See above.

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and why not? according to most here... they are all barbarians that are better off even under a genocidal maniac like the sadman! the muslims are barbaric savages who can't help themselves right?

More or less.

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Maybe that is the only way to do it... they haven't progressed in their religion or society past the 9th century so why not just put em back into it all the way... first split up iraq and then chop iran into pieces?

LOL! Good luck.

Thrawn · « **Reply #92 on:** December 04, 2006, 10:04:55 AM »

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i wonder what all the iraq trucks that went to syria right before the invasion had in them?
i know, watermelons, thats right, saddam shipped truck loads of watermelons to syria right before the invasion so they would not be damaged, yeah, thats the ticket.

Do you know something the Iraq Survey Group doesn't? They concluded that it was unlikely that Iraq shipped WMD to Syria and that Iraqs WMD supply was destroyed years before the invasion of Iraq.

Sandman · « **Reply #93 on:** December 04, 2006, 10:37:28 AM »

Not to mention that it makes absolutely no sense to get rid of your most powerful weapons on the eve of a hostile invasion into your country.

john9001 · « **Reply #94 on:** December 04, 2006, 12:04:03 PM »

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Not to mention that it makes absolutely no sense to get rid of your most powerful weapons on the eve of a hostile invasion into your country.

in gulf war 1 saddam sent his fighter aircraft to Iran to keep them safe. Who said saddam made any sense?

Maverick · « **Reply #95 on:** December 04, 2006, 12:46:12 PM »

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in gulf war 1 saddam sent his fighter aircraft to Iran to keep them safe. Who said saddam made any sense?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

VOR · « **Reply #96 on:** December 04, 2006, 01:04:46 PM »

Viking, there's no need to insult all of us just to try to yank one guy's chain. You aren't going to change his mind, anyway.

evenhaim · « **Reply #97 on:** December 04, 2006, 01:19:28 PM »

this does not surpriseme at all as i from that region and during our little war with lebanon we found many iranian and syrian made weapons that were provided to the hesbolah, i believe that the same thing is occuring with iraq, iran is supplying one side with weapons and the other is struggling to battle the off.

-evenhaim
(aka freezman)

lazs2 · « **Reply #98 on:** December 04, 2006, 02:40:44 PM »

"The war in Iraq and Afghanistan has shown the world just how powerful America is. Like a fat, impotent elephant in a glass store. The irony of your post is even more delicious now that the US recently requested even more troops from Norway and other NATO countries to help you out in Afghanistan.

The last superpower indeed; can't even handle one third world nation let alone two without begging for help from us "weak and impotent" countries. "

now it is my turn to laugh out loud.... like the help we get from norway is gonna make one bit of difference.... we just want yu to feel useful... we aren't haveing any problem carrying the load.. we just would like you to be included... we realize that you will be pretty useless but it looks god ya know?

lazs

Sandman · « **Reply #99 on:** December 04, 2006, 03:02:51 PM »

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Who said saddam made any sense?

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

dmf · « **Reply #100 on:** December 04, 2006, 07:28:10 PM »

Ok I'm no military expert here but it seems to me that Iraq had the time it took us to get everybody and everything ready to go over there this time that they could have easily moved it, I'm not saying they did, but if you tell me your coming to my house 6 months from now to look for something, I'll bet ya $50 that when you get here you won't find it.

Thrawn · « **Reply #101 on:** December 04, 2006, 08:11:57 PM »

It would have been problematic at best for Iraq to move WMD that they didn't have. Once again, at least according the Iraq Survey Group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Survey_Group

ByeBye · « **Reply #102 on:** December 04, 2006, 08:29:01 PM »

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It would have been problematic at best for Iraq to move WMD that they didn't have. Once again, at least according the Iraq Survey Group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Survey_Group

The very first conclusion of the report states:

"Iraq's main goal was to end sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute WMD production"

The UN and all the treaties in the world would not have stopped Saddam from getting wmd again.

Other interesting quotes:

No senior Iraqi official interviewed by the ISG believed that Saddam had forsaken WMD forever

Iraq had intended to restart all banned weapons programs as soon as multilateral sanctions against it had been dropped, a prospect that the Iraqi government saw coming soon.

Smuggling was used by Iraq to rebuild as much of its WMD program as could be hidden from U.N. weapons inspectors.

Iraq had an effective system for the procurement of items banned by sanctions

Until March 2003, Saddam Hussein convinced his top military commanders that Iraq did indeed possess WMD that could be used against any U.S. invasion force, in order to prevent a coup over the prospects of fighting the U.S.-led Coalition without these weapons.
Iraq used procurement contracts allowed under the Oil for Food program to buy influence among U.N. Security Council member states including France, China, and Russia, as well as dozens of prominent journalists and anti-sanctions activists.

So, I guess the only way we were gonna be sure to stop Saddam from having wmd was by going in there by force.

Kind of justifies the whole invasion, just as I had stated before. Never trust the UN, France or Russia on the matter.

Thrawn · « **Reply #103 on:** December 04, 2006, 10:08:08 PM »

Yeah, sure thing Nuke. Of course Bush could say, "I lied, the invasion was unjustified.", and you would say "See this proves the invasion was justified.".

ByeBye · « **Reply #104 on:** December 04, 2006, 10:09:49 PM »

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Yeah, sure thing Nuke. Of course Bush could say, "I lied, the invasion was unjustified.", and you would say "See this proves the invasion was justified.".

The invasion was justified, for several reasons. The Iraq Survey Group report is just the final point in the wars justification.

Maybe you would have prefered Saddam to still be in power, the inspections ended, and Iraq producing wmd again as if nothing ever happened. Is that what you would like?