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Charon · « **Reply #75 on:** December 08, 2006, 05:17:01 PM »

Speaking of reloads...

I went to the range with my Dad a few weeks back to try out the new M1. Get set up on the bench and was waiting for a cease fire to set the targets when some guy blew up his shiny RemChester. And by blew up, I mean barrel 10 yards down range, 6 or so major pieces, scope snapped in half, apparently thumb left dangling and nose broken (I didn't get to see those details as he ran off the firing line pretty quick). What's extra scary is he was at the end of the range, and one major component (perhaps bolt related) blew through two medium-weight brass-catching screens on the benches next to him, bounced of the side wall he was near, and traveled back up the firing line about 30 yards to near where our firing point was. That could have smarted!

The guy was a reloder apparently, and one can only assume that he had a lapse in concentration with that batch of rounds. Mysteriously, that batch of evidence disappeared almost immediately (his son, perhaps...was the rumor on the range).

What also sucked is about three rural PDs had to show up and develop reports before the range could go hot again. Eagle Wisc. CSI

Wisc. DNR and the County Cops. Cameras were produced, measurements were taken -- you'd a thunk he drilled someone in the head. It took about an hour and a half to get all that investigation completed.

Anyway, I've thought about reloading as a hobby, but it goes to show you can't take that for granted. I'm not sure I want to have that extra question in my mind each time I pull the trigger.

Also, I offered up a great quip at the time that generated a few laughs: "Bet he develops a flinch after that one..."

Charon

47Hooker · « **Reply #76 on:** December 08, 2006, 05:27:39 PM »

How do you fix a stretched frame? You cut it up and buy another one. I paid $150 for the 586 and $200 for the 686. I've paid more for a beater car to have fun with

Nobody has to worry about being anywhere near me while shooting (my range, my property).

I appreciate everyone's concern, but it is a controlled process. You may not agree with it, but people do not agree with the way I ride my Harley, fly a plane or terrace-jump a beater car for kicks. I'm having fun. Life's too short. Nobody else is involved.

It'll take alot more than that to bust a Smith bad enough to get hurt. I wouldn't trust a knock-off or certainly not an auto...can you say "slide to the head?" (like Sin City).

You think thats bad? I'm eyeballin the .454:t

DieAz · « **Reply #77 on:** December 08, 2006, 08:35:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Airscrew

Lazs, a few months ago I found a handful of .357 and a couple of .358 BLR Win rounds left over from at least 1990 maybe older. They were in the bottom of a box. How do I get rid of them?

Bullet Puller from Cabelas search item:IG-214931

for use with centerfire type of ammo only.

lazs2 · « **Reply #78 on:** December 09, 2006, 09:56:22 AM »

yep... bullet puller is the way to go.

47.. you aren't controlling anything... you are letting someone else do it for you. You are nothing but the guy yanking the trigger. The guns you talk about are worth a lot more than what you paid for em. You will ruin em in short order.

No one beats cars or bikes any worse than I do but.. I do my own work... Would you dump the clutch on a 454 at 5 grand if someone else had done the drive train? If he told you that you didn't need a scattersheild and that stock clutches were fine for that? Who builds your Harley? I allways built my own... Wouldn't even trust anyone to change a tire.

as for the casull... go for it.. fun gun to shoot. You...er... your "friend" probly won't blow it up and it will have twice or more the energy of the .357 loads you are using to kill guns.

It's your money and your eyes and fingers. Live and learn.

I still use a single stage press and even then.. I have had a lapse and just taken out that round and pulled it apart... never anything wrong but...

lazs

wrag · « **Reply #79 on:** December 09, 2006, 10:21:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Charon
Speaking of reloads...

I went to the range with my Dad a few weeks back to try out the new M1. Get set up on the bench and was waiting for a cease fire to set the targets when some guy blew up his shiny RemChester. And by blew up, I mean barrel 10 yards down range, 6 or so major pieces, scope snapped in half, apparently thumb left dangling and nose broken (I didn't get to see those details as he ran off the firing line pretty quick). What's extra scary is he was at the end of the range, and one major component (perhaps bolt related) blew through two medium-weight brass-catching screens on the benches next to him, bounced of the side wall he was near, and traveled back up the firing line about 30 yards to near where our firing point was. That could have smarted!

The guy was a reloder apparently, and one can only assume that he had a lapse in concentration with that batch of rounds. Mysteriously, that batch of evidence disappeared almost immediately (his son, perhaps...was the rumor on the range).

What also sucked is about three rural PDs had to show up and develop reports before the range could go hot again. Eagle Wisc. CSI Wisc. DNR and the County Cops. Cameras were produced, measurements were taken -- you'd a thunk he drilled someone in the head. It took about an hour and a half to get all that investigation completed.

Anyway, I've thought about reloading as a hobby, but it goes to show you can't take that for granted. I'm not sure I want to have that extra question in my mind each time I pull the trigger.

Also, I offered up a great quip at the time that generated a few laughs: "Bet he develops a flinch after that one..."

Charon

The Govmint don't like us reloading? Lookin for reasons to ban it maybe?

lazs2 · « **Reply #80 on:** December 09, 2006, 10:27:36 AM »

they have tried several times to ban reloading in kalifornia.. they will suceed some day.

Someone with lots of reloading skills will allways be able to convert/reload tho.

lazs

47Hooker · « **Reply #81 on:** December 09, 2006, 05:35:23 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

No one beats cars or bikes any worse than I do but.. I do my own work... Would you dump the clutch on a 454 at 5 grand if someone else had done the drive train? If he told you that you didn't need a scattersheild and that stock clutches were fine for that? Who builds your Harley? I allways built my own... Wouldn't even trust anyone to change a tire.

lazs

I'm with ya on the mechanical portion. Nobody but NOBODY touches my bike or cars. I even work on the plane I fly (A&P, IA). I do not reload and don't care to get into it as I do not shoot them that often. That is best left to someone with experience.

Stan has been reloading longer than I've been alive and has both of his hands and eyes:D As hard as it seems for some to swallow, he knows what he's doing or he would have maimed himself long ago.

One who pushes the envelope is seen as a fool to most....I see them as pioneers. (or thrill seekers). I cannot see myself ever jumping out of a good airplane, yet people do every day. I don't agree with it unless a wing came off or the plane is on fire, but I understand their desire to taunt the reaper. Far more people die from parachuting than by uncontained catstrophic failure of their own firearm.

For every one who tells me that I'm nuts for firing hot loads out of a handgun, there are 50 who tell me I'm nuts for riding a motorcyle and I'm not about to stop doing that. If I get taken out doing something fun, at least I'll go with a smile on my face. A fiery crash or explosion would be way cooler than cracking your dome on a coffee table because your walker slipped:aok

midnight Target · « **Reply #82 on:** December 09, 2006, 05:44:31 PM »

Every sniped in Central America?

Charon · « **Reply #83 on:** December 09, 2006, 06:18:54 PM »

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The Govmint don't like us reloading? Lookin for reasons to ban it maybe?

I think all the "CSI" work was more a combination of:

1. CYA for liability (though somebody blowing up his own gun would seem to be hard to blame on the DNR)

2. Required bureaucratic overkill;

3. Having nothing better to do (this is rural Wisconsin, after all)

Something to talk about later at the diner with your buds...

Now, if it was an Illinois range the guy would probably be under a terrorist investigation (with a resulting media frenzy) as a "potential" mad bomber using a firearm "loophole" to plan future mayhem on our children.

Charon

lazs2 · « **Reply #84 on:** December 10, 2006, 11:07:25 AM »

47... call yourself a brave pioneer who pushes the limits on handguns if that makes you happy. I am saying that you are putting yourself and your guns at risk by doing something that you yourself have no understanding of (by your own admission).

If the guy is getting over 1800 fps out of a handgun with his 158 grain .357 loads then he is not being very responsible. And... there is no real point to it. you still have a .357... it won't become a 44 mag no matter how much fast burning powder you stuff into it. Why bother?

That is my point.. why bother? We go to the range and my 44 is gonna drown out your .357... the hits downrange are gonna be more impressive and... I ain't gonna be risking anyones safety or damaging the gun..

If I load to the limit of the 44 and still want more.... I buy a 454 or 460 or 500.

I know guys who never ran a scattersheild and have built hot rods for many decades and have never been hurt. I have never worn a helmet in the decades I rode Harleys. I don't think either qualifies as "pushing the limits" and I don't pretend to tell anyone that those things are good for them to do.

I have ruined plenty of guns. I have made many strange and fun loads.. ones that exploded when they hit... ones with three projectiles in the same case... That may have been "pushing the limits" since there was no data on that sort of thing. Even when they worked tho.. I didn't pass em out to my friends.

lazs

47Hooker · « **Reply #85 on:** December 10, 2006, 04:42:36 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
47... call yourself a brave pioneer who pushes the limits on handguns if that makes you happy. I am saying that you are putting yourself and your guns at risk by doing something that you yourself have no understanding of (by your own admission).

If the guy is getting over 1800 fps out of a handgun with his 158 grain .357 loads then he is not being very responsible. And... there is no real point to it. you still have a .357... it won't become a 44 mag no matter how much fast burning powder you stuff into it. Why bother?

That is my point.. why bother? We go to the range and my 44 is gonna drown out your .357... the hits downrange are gonna be more impressive and... I ain't gonna be risking anyones safety or damaging the gun..

If I load to the limit of the 44 and still want more.... I buy a 454 or 460 or 500.

I know guys who never ran a scattersheild and have built hot rods for many decades and have never been hurt. I have never worn a helmet in the decades I rode Harleys. I don't think either qualifies as "pushing the limits" and I don't pretend to tell anyone that those things are good for them to do.

I have ruined plenty of guns. I have made many strange and fun loads.. ones that exploded when they hit... ones with three projectiles in the same case... That may have been "pushing the limits" since there was no data on that sort of thing. Even when they worked tho.. I didn't pass em out to my friends.

lazs

You will be happy to know that because of such controversy, I asked Stan about these loads and they are 125gr, not 158 as I had thought. Not all that spectacular since one can order commercially 125gr rounds that produce over 1700fps. We can all sleep now.

Now it's my turn to caution you. Maybe you know someone who's gun blew up and killed them, if so, I'm sorry to hear it. But Brother, let me tell you this: I have buried 3 Brothers in the past 5 years who went down without a skid lid. 2 out of those 3 should have been walked away from. It hurts like hell and there's nothing that will bring a tear to the toughest roughneck on a Hog than 100 scats lined up behind a hearse.

Brother, I'll stop firing reloads all together if you'll wear a skid lid. That's on the square;)

Mark Luper · « **Reply #86 on:** December 10, 2006, 05:06:51 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Every sniped in Central America?

Are you asking if he ever hunted snipe or if he was a sniper in central america?

Mark

AWMac · « **Reply #87 on:** December 10, 2006, 05:16:02 PM »

We really need to do another PETA Raid to release some stress!!!

Gawd I miss the good times.

Mac

x0847Marine · « **Reply #88 on:** December 10, 2006, 05:48:06 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
xmarine... maybe if you got off your barstool and drove a few hundred miles out of the liberal hell hole you live in you might learn something.

I've forgotten more about shooting than you will ever learn.

Farmers and those damaged by "pests" have my full blessing to slaughter em all in order to survive, that is pest control.

Some bumpkin yahoo with a hog leg blowing them up with a "yeee hawl" as they sit harmlessly licking their nuts just strikes me as banjo play'n deliverance phony macho nonsense.... made worse by bragging about it as if its some accomplishment.

But hey, if you need to survive by eating pest meat, fine with me... do what you gotta do. Might I suggest an easier path, like getting a job... then you can go to MacDonald's, and if you must... you can blow a hole in your big mac and huff around like a cave man at the fresh kill.

lazs2 · « **Reply #89 on:** December 11, 2006, 08:44:08 AM »

47... there is a huge difference between 125 grain and 158 grain slugs and even a huge difference between 1700 and 1800 fps when you get to the extreme end of the pressure scale.

Skid lid? I know a lot of guys who crashed because they couldn't see or hear from wearing helmet... besides.... What happened to "pushing the limits?" it only counts on things you want to push?

I have fallen many times and never even got a scratch on my mug... everyone who falls wearing a helmet seem to get scratches all over it. it is a big lump on your head with a hangmans noose strap around you. It gives you a fuzzy sounding and crappy view of what is going on around you.

lazs