Eny

[Bronk]

Originally posted by TexInVa
LOL, I had the missfortune of saying something along those line. Got picked up by LTARghst. I got ridiculed for not being a "t-n-b" flyer.

Ever try to "b-n-z" in a spit9?

Sorry, I won't turnfight a hurri. Schatzi abused me of that already.

LoL well to a Hurri 90% of the plane set would would appear to be BnZ.
Just because they are that slow.




Bronk

[a4944]

ENY is fine but I think it should be capped at 15.  Sometimes players from a country log when they start to lose and this prolongs a map reset as the other country starts to get a very high ENY.  You can still fly decent to good rides with an ENY at 15, just not the best.

Venom

[Bronk]

Originally posted by a4944
ENY is fine but I think it should be capped at 15.  Sometimes players from a country log when they start to lose and this prolongs a map reset as the other country starts to get a very high ENY.  You can still fly decent to good rides with an ENY at 15, just not the best.

Venom

Good then its working. Thinning out  horde monkeys is good thing.
I say make eny kick in harder and sooner. Keeps the win by volume guys down to a minimum.

Bronk

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by Kev367th

I'll go out a limb here - They DON'T want to change sides.

So, because people want to be twits, we're obligated to accomodate them?
That's idiotic.

[TexInVa]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
So, because people want to be twits, we're obligated to accomodate them?
That's idiotic.

lol...

Are people not playing to your satisfaction?

[skernsk]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
..so because you and a bunch of your "buds" want to fly "fly what I want, when I want and where I want" the rest of the player base has to suck it up and eat your bigger numbers as well as fighting you in uber planes. Ya sounds like fun for the rest of us !

Well Fugitive, I am many like me fly this game for the squad aspect of it.   I dunno why, but when you do find a squad it makes the game 100 times more fun.

Until the recent changes in the last 6 months I had absolutely no problems.  So, I guess I am suffering along with my squad to make lone wolf whiners like you happy.

What is so wrong with paying your subscription and expecting to be able to play the fugging game?  I see no problem with being upset that I have 5 planes to choose from at PEAK times on Friday nights in the Mid-War arena.

[skernsk]

One more thing 'Fugitive'

There are members of my squad that for some reason or another cannot get Vox to function in the Late War arenas.  This is a problem that HTC is aware of and to date we are still problem solving it.  So to ensure we get to fly together we go early war or mid-war.

Can you please tell me what the 'UBER' rides are in those theaters?  Why it is necessary to allow one side the entire planeset available in Mid-War while my side has to fly an A20?

Explain to me please why I am such an ******* for expecting my 15 bucks to allow me to fly my Favorite rides (F6f or Hurrican IIc) when I want to, on the same side as my friends and squad mates.

Thanks in advance.....

[Laurie]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
So, because people want to be twits, we're obligated to accomodate them?
That's idiotic.

o yes your majesty........

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
So, because people want to be twits, we're obligated to accomodate them?
That's idiotic.

If you look at my first post I say I have no problem with the idea of ENY restrictions, the problem lies in the planes ENY values, they are to say the least all over the place.

Well as it seems like the majority don't want to change sides I guess it's them who are accomodating you.
Unless of course you feel your little minority are more important than every other player in the game.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Bronk
Good then its working. Thinning out  horde monkeys is good thing.
I say make eny kick in harder and sooner. Keeps the win by volume guys down to a minimum.

Bronk

Yes win by volume...This was a picture from last night at a off peak time.




Now granted the rooks in flight were 10 more than the Knights but the not in flight players was consistent at about 50 which was causing our eny to be over 15 any many points.

So I don't mind the ENY but I think it should be done by location rather than by the whole map. The nits were kicking our butts at that area, because they had the numbers on us and we were screwed with crappy planes most of the time.

Meanwhile "most" of the rooks were over at some other base ganging up on Bish. So I don't mind the ENY so much but make it dependent on the conditions of that part of the map as was suggested above by someone else.

That or auto kick AFK players after 10 mins or something.

[SlapShot]

Well as it seems like the majority don't want to change sides

Right ... most would rather piss and moan about ENY.

I guess it's them who are accomodating you.

How do you figure ? ... they still have the choice to fly with the over-populated side ... they just have to do it with a limited plane set. They are accommodating themselves if you really think about it.

Unless of course you feel your little minority are more important than every other player in the game.

Those who choose to change sides to try and balance arenas are truly a minority, but I doubt most feel they are more important than every other player in the game ... they may feel that they contribute more, but I doubt "importance" enters their mind.

Now, with all of that, I do have to agree with you that the ENY settings do need to be looked at more deeply and reset accordingly for the arena and the offered plane set within the arena.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by SlapShot

Now, with all of that, I do have to agree with you that the ENY settings do need to be looked at more deeply and reset accordingly for the arena and the offered plane set within the arena. [/B]

So what would they be based on?

I thought for a long time maybe performance, gun package etc.
But that doesn't tell you how well it does in the arenas.

So
Why not base it on its K/D ratio, that would seem as good a measure as any for a planes effectiveness in the arenas.

Basically (assuming HT has data for individual arenas)
Sort them top to bottom highest, K/D to lowest K/D
ENY values of 5,10,15,20,25,30
Split them into 6 equal numbered groups.
Assign ENY value to each group.
Any plane with K/D better than 2.0-2.5 retains or is given a perk value also.

[skernsk]

Slapshot to say it needs tweaking is indeed a start.

What is important for me is to fly with my squad.  If we change sides then .. the ENY switches along with us.  To be so limited by the ENY in a sense penalizes squads (larger ones like mine anyway).

If not for my squad I would have been done here long ago, but its the friends I have made here, rather than the game (the past two years anyway) that have kept me paying.

I think a two sided war makes the most sense, but I am sure that has been brought up and rejected for one reason or another.

All I know is that I don't see the need for it, nor do I like ENY as it is now.  A mid-war arena has only mid-war planes available.  Which ones in that arena are 'Uber'?  And why not just perk them rather than force a side to fly goons and A20's?

[Kev367th]

Just tried my idea with last months stats.
Bear in mind the stats are for all arenas so it throws up anomalies like the Hurri IIc, P-38J etc.
I would hope HT has stats for indivdual arenas.

ENY 5 (* = perked)
Me 262 *
Tempest *
Me 163B *
F4U-1C *
F4U-4 *
Hurricane Mk IIC
P-47-D25
Ki-84-Ia
Typhoon IB
F4U-1A
Fw 190D-9
P-38J

ENY 10
Bf 109K-4
Ta 152H
Fw 190A-8
N1K2
P-47D-11
Fw 190A-5
Ki-61
P-38G
Spitfire Mk XIV
La-7
Il-2
F4U-1

ENY 15
C.205
Spitfire Mk IX
La-5FN
Bf 109F-4
FM2
Bf 109G-14
Spitfire Mk XVI
Bf 109G-2
P-51D
Yak-9U
P-47N
Yak-9T

ENY 20
A6M5b
P-47-D40
P-51B
SeaFire
F6F-5
F4F-4
Mosquito Mk VI
Fw 190F-8
Spitfire Mk VIII
Bf 110G-2
Bf 109G-6
P-40E

ENY 25
F4U-1D
P-38L
A-20G
Spitfire Mk V
M-16
C.202
A6M2
Ar 234
Bf 110C-4b
Bf 109E-4
Hurricane Mk I
Hurricane Mk IID

ENY 30
B-24J
B-26B
Ju 87D-3
B-17G
LVTA4
LVTA2
Lancaster III
P-40B
Spitfire Mk I
Ki-67
B5N2
TBM-3
D3A1
SBD-5
Ju 88
Boston III

Again please BEAR IN MIND -
These are based on ALL ARENA stats, it would have to be done on an individual arena basis.
Thats why there are anomalies like the P-38J and Hurri IIc and Spit VIII, some of these do better in arenas other than the the LW.

Without access to individual arena stats, it's not possible to get a truly accurate picture.
I would expect the Hurri IIc and P-38J to drop out of the ENY 5 group and they would be replaced by the K-4 and Ta-152 (top two in ENY 10).

You could even do the buffs seperately.

[Simaril]

But your idea assumes that KPD correlates directly with a plane's quality. And that would be an invalid assumption.

Think about a plane like the FM-2. Lets say, just for the sake of argument, that only 10% of sorties was by newbs -- and the aces who love to dogfight make up the difference. The KPD that results would be HEAVILY skewed by player skill -- and while it would still likely end up with a mediocre number, that number would be MUCH MUCH better than the plane deserved..

So now it gets a lower ENY. It gets filtered out for the high side, and a certain number of aces can't fly it. The KPD drops....do we recalculate?

Or lets look at the argument the other way. Take a great plane flown poorly by newbs. Should it be available to the aces on the high side, when the FM2s of the world are denied?

Come to think of it, look at YOUR numbers!! The "NPE" (newbie pilot effect) clearly has pushed the La-1 and the SPit XVI into almost silly ENY ratings. Can you honestly say, with all the "perk the XVI and La7" threads, that your system is better than HTs?

I dont buy it at all --  since its based on a faulty assumption its conclusions can't be trusted.