Tim Hardaway and his love of gays

[lazs2]

so you are unwilling to answer the question?

Do you think that people are born with their sexual orientation or not?

lazs

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by lazs2
so you are unwilling to answer the question?

Do you think that people are born with their sexual orientation or not?

lazs

I do, at least for the most part.  There is research that indicates that genetics plays a roll.  There is also research that indicates that the chemical makeup of the amniotic fluid that surrounds a fetus during gestation is probably a factor.  The more successive children a woman has the greater the chance that  the child will be gay.  And we aren't talking about a linear progression here.

Something like this.

1st child - 2% chance
2nd        - 4% chance
3rd         - 5% chance

etc...


Which makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint.  After awhile the "extra" offspring just become competition for mates, heck there genetic material is more or less the same as there siblings anyway.  It would be great if there was a mechanism to prevent them from being sexual competition...something like homosexuality perhaps?  Meanwhile they still have a genetic horse in race of making sure their nephews and nieces live long enough to procreate.

[BTW]

Laz I've already stated I don't think people are "born gay"  (or homo as you like to say in some need to disparage and defend homosexuality at the same time) because of "natural forces" (whatever the heck that is in cowboy land). I've stated I believe pretty much what the scientific consensus states, that sexuality is formed from genetics, chemistry, and environment. I've stated it 4 days ago.
Its not a new idea. Its pretty much what the civilized world believes

Its not that I haven't answered, its that you don't like my answer.

Refute it if you don't like it! Or continue your Vinnie Barbarino troll - "What? Where?" I don't care.

You obviously can't be objective about the topic, so I'm no longer going to discuss it with you. If this post don't do it for you, go ask someone else. Its just boring me now.

[storch]

Originally posted by lazs2
so you are unwilling to answer the question?

Do you think that people are born with their sexual orientation or not?

lazs

the question was not directed at me but I'll take a stab at it as well.  I would agree that the condition is not by choice.  some people are just born that way.  Thrawn's pseudo-scientific response probably plays well enough to be accurate.  my gay cousin was the second son of the fifth child, a son (my uncle).  I also have an effiminate cousin from the same side of the family.  he's the second child of the first child, a daughter (my aunt).  while he's not openly gay, (married four kids) I believe he may have taken a college level course or two on the topic.  his first born son is a flamer, every time I see that kid I feel like calling fire rescue.  the third daughter from those grandparents (my aunt) is a lesbian.  so I guess there may be a genetic link because my grandfather had a brother who was queer, but they made him change his last name and he moved to france back in the 1930's.

[Mightytboy]

I agree that you are born gay or straight but it is a personal decision to act on those feelings.

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by Thrawn
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Which makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint.  After awhile the "extra" offspring just become competition for mates, heck there genetic material is more or less the same as there siblings anyway.  It would be great if there was a mechanism to prevent them from being sexual competition...something like homosexuality perhaps?  Meanwhile they still have a genetic horse in race of making sure their nephews and nieces live long enough to procreate. [/B]

Also, the more siblings in a family the greater the evolutionary need for hair stylists, choreographers and interior decorators.  Eventually a big enough family just needs a gay brother.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by eskimo2
Also, the more siblings in a family the greater the evolutionary need for hair stylists, choreographers and interior decorators.

There's a PhD in there somewhere.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Mightytboy
I agree that you are born gay or straight but it is a personal decision to act on those feelings.

So if you were born gay, you would spend your life with a woman you didn't find attractive because you would feel it was wrong to act on your sexual feelings? Probably making both of you miserable?



You think that’s fair to ask someone who had no choice in it?

That makes sense to you?

[Sandman]

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7513892

[lukster]

Originally posted by eskimo2
I’ve never understood why so many folks care so much and get so angry over what other people do in their bedrooms.  I find homosexuality interesting, but I can’t imagine getting upset over it or feeling threatened by it.  Gays are.  So what?  

Just for the record, I think that homosexuality is usually genetic, but sometimes learned.  Some folks are wired to be gay no matter what; some are wired to be straight no matter what.  Then there’s a group in the middle who could swing either way depending on circumstances and society.

If it were confined to their bedroom I'd agree. However, many more are now at risk of being infected with AIDS which probably wouldn't be threatening so many were it not for the promiscuity of homosexuals. I'll agree that many heterosexuals wouldn't be at risk if not for their own promiscuity but still you must consider who is most responsible for spreading this deadly disease.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by lukster
If it were confined to their bedroom I'd agree. However, many more are now at risk of being infected with AIDS which probably wouldn't be threatening so many were it not for the promiscuity of homosexuals. I'll agree that many heterosexuals wouldn't be at risk if not for their own promiscuity but still you must consider who is most responsible for spreading this deadly disease.

Ah the joys of collective punishment, a page right out of Nazism.  Then let us blame Bush for 9/11 for he is caucasian male, just like the  terrorists were...wait a second...what race are you?

[Debonair]

zOMG this thread is SO GAY!!!1

[storch]

Originally posted by Debonair
zOMG this thread is SO GAY!!!1

I guess you would know, being an expert and all.

[storch]

Originally posted by lukster
If it were confined to their bedroom I'd agree. However, many more are now at risk of being infected with AIDS which probably wouldn't be threatening so many were it not for the promiscuity of homosexuals. I'll agree that many heterosexuals wouldn't be at risk if not for their own promiscuity but still you must consider who is most responsible for spreading this deadly disease.

you bring up a very good point.  consider the fact that early in the AIDS epidemic HIV was introduced into the national blood supply by infected homosexuals for the very purpose of contaminating non homosexual patients because many in the homosexual community thought that their plight was being ignored by the general population.  homosexuality is deviant lifestyle.  many practioners of this deviant sexual behavior are mal-adjusted people.  in another, more practical time period HIV victims would have been quarantined from the general population.  given that they are not and given how many partners homosexuals generally have it is reasonable to view all homosexuals as ambulatory health risks and a danger to society.  this view would not play well on the tree hugger news networks and as we see in the mr hardaway's example can quickly lead to financial ruin for any who hold this opinion.

[Saintaw]

Originally posted by storch
... my grandfather had a brother who was queer, but they made him change his last name and he moved to france back in the 1930's.

Hmmmm...