Inconvenient Truth Indeed

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I shall have to tell the fishing interests here in the USA's Pacific Northwest that hydropower is environmentally friendly.

Most hydproplants have pathways for fishes. In addition to that, hydropower produces pollutionless energy day in and out.

[Holden McGroin]

MrRiplEy[H]:
 
Google things like... dam removal... northwest... Columbia River....Snake River... Salmon...

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
MrRiplEy[H]:
 
Google things like... dam removal... northwest... Columbia River....Snake River... Salmon...

Some private small dams probably didn't have built-in pathways to ensure fish migration. They're mandatory at least here.

Are you sure Icelandic dams hinder salmon migration? Do they even have salmon rivers down there?

Then another question: 6500 gigawatts of non-polluting energy against 1 species worth of hobby fishing.. Anyone?

[lazs2]

straffo.. if we didn't wash our clothes or bathe we would use a lot less electricity too.

airscrew..  mustain...  it is not just that, like all socialist politicians, algore uses 20 times the resources of the average man he wishes to impose restrictions on... it is that he is getting fatter..  he is using more now than he did the last year and will use even more next year while telling us to suffer and use less.

The other point is that most of us used less energy this year... we didn't do it our of fear of so called "man made global warming" either... we did it for free market reasons..   it was more expensive so we tried to use less.   algore won't use less because he doesn't have to.   no one is making him and he can afford to waste as much as he likes... he can take private jets and ride in limmo's .

He is too important to live like the people he wishes to rule.

lazs

[Airscrew]

Laz, I dont disagree that Al Gore is probably hypocritical, a man that tells me I should be doing more to save the enviroment and save the planet and then rides in limos and uses a butt load of electricity.   My disagreement lies with people going all apesh** over some report from the Tennesse Center of Policy Research that uses some incomplete information to make a halfprettythang conclusion.  
from their report

Nashville Electric Service/Gore House

2006
High 22619 kWh Aug – Sept
Low 12541 kWh Jan - Feb
Average: 18,414 kWh per month

Looks to me like they cherrypicked the data to show the results they wanted.  they only used 4 months out of 12.   Did they pick the months with highest usage?  why not give me all the information?    The truth is probably bad enough, but that just looks like poor reporting...

[Gunslinger]

Well at least he killed "man-bear-pig"  He was super serial about that project.  EXSCELCIOR!




lets see who gets it.

[Airscrew]

Gun, try looking in the Cave of Winds for your spiritual answer

See i think that the DOE numbers might be a bit screwy too, oh wait its the gubernet

DOE says average kwh consumption is 10,656 per year.   I used their kwh usage per item and household to check my house.

Central Air     2796
water heating     2552
Lighting                     940
Clothes Dryer     1079
Furnace fan     500
Dishwasher     512
electric range top      536
electric oven      440
microwave oven       209
electric toaster oven    50
coffee maker       116
Color TV x4        548
VCR/DVD x2        140
Satellite dish 1 x4 receivers   520
PC desk top x5        1310
Printer w/ fax copier        216
Ceiling fan x3        150
Clothes Washer        120
Compact Stereo         81
Component Stereo         55
Portable Stereo         19
Answering Machine         35
Cordless telephone x2   52
Rechargeable tools         43
Routers x2         70

based on the DOE my average kwh usage should be 13089, but in reality is its closer to 18,000 per year.

so how did they arrive at an average of 10,656?  I would agree that my house is likely not an average representation so let me try building an average usage from their list
Central Air     2796
water heating     2552
Lighting                     940
Clothes Dryer     1079
Furnace fan     500

thats  7867 kwh so far

everyone maynot have a dishwasher so I'll leave that out
electric range top   536
electric oven   440
microwave oven   209
color TV                137
clothes washer    120
VCR/DVD             70
compact stereo    81
at least 1 PC       262

thats another 1855, so 9722 so far
average household might have
coffee maker      116
electric toaster oven  50
answering machine  35
cordless phone  26

another 227 kwh per year brings that total to 9949, still not hitting the 10,656 average

lets see
Cable box  120
Freezer?  i dont have one but maybe the average home does  1,039
portable stereo 19

that adds another 1178 which brings us up to 11127

all that means is my numbers do not make anymore sense than the DOE's numbers,  just made up and thrown around to make a meanless statistic.

footnotes say they used a 1997 report,  Energy Data Sourcebook for the U.S. Residential Sector, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, 1997.

[Flatbar]

Originally posted by SirLoin
Gore just blew through Toronto with his tour..He arrived at the conference in a stretched limo...lol

Those calling Gore a hypocrite should read up on what he's personaly doing to reduce his carbon footprint. Better yet, calculate yours and see what you can do to reduce yours.

http://www.carbonfootprint.com/calculator.html

Mine is 2.3 tons, can't afford offsets but we're looking for green energy options and some solar. The average US home with 2 people is responsible for 7.8 tons.

Al's home is powered by green energy wherever possible. The house uses electricity from renewable sources and solar pannels. Every time he flys or drives the carbon emissions are calculated and he buys energy offset credits to make up for any excessive emissions.

Buying offset credits, for those with the means to, is a way of reducing your footprint by funding green energy production.

So, go ahead and bash Gore all you want, just make sure you're using facts instead of hyperbole.

[Airscrew]

another useless gubernet calculator.   first of all its for the UK, second

Food and Drink   585 *
Clothes and Shoes   486 *
Car Manufacture   715 *
Buildings, Furniture and Appliances     982 *
Recreation and Services   1,546 *
Finance and other services   361 *
Share of Public Services   1,276 *  
* Your secondary Carbon Footprint from indirect emissions has not been calculated here. We have used UK average figures only.

does not apply.  cars listed are european, does not apply.

[Flatbar]

Originally posted by Airscrew
another useless gubernet calculator.   first of all its for the UK, second


does not apply.  cars listed are european, does not apply.

Well, since people here tend to not believe scientists unless the're paid by big energy, I posted a link to a different calculator than the ICT one, here it is anyhow...

http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/carboncalculator/

[SFRT - Frenchy]

At any rate, and so what? It's totally unrealistic to expect a man of power/fat wallet to relocate and live in the "average American house", privating himself of "his toys and comfort". Frustrated little environemental Nicole with limited political views trying to ratle trees to make her life meaningfull.

[oboe]

Originally posted by Airscrew
hahaha, lets all point fingers at Gore.  Really guys, I have no love lost for Gore, could care one way or the other.  I may also not agree with his "documentary" but think about it just abit and stop letting them spoon feed ya.

You dont take something thats out of the norm and try to compare it to an average

I have a about 2000 sq ft house,  4 bedrooms, 3 full baths, all electric house, no gas.  my electric bill runs about 1400 to 1700 kwh a month depending on the weather and how sucessful I am at chasing the kids around the house and shutting stuff off.  4 tvs, 5 pcs assorted electronics.
so in a year I probably average about 18,000 kwh.   now their report only says a 20 room house, usually when they describe a house they say number of bedrooms, so I'll go with that.  If we use my numbers thats 375 kwh a month per bedroom.   Using that a 20 bedroom house would average 7,500 kwh.  But this is Al Gore so that house probably has alot of extra security stuff than most of us have.  Plus you gotta figure secret service guys.

Also where do they get the figure The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy.  What year?  What do they consider an average household?  

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/recs/recs2001/enduse2001/enduse2001.html

that report is from 2001.  Could he use less electricity?  probably.

I live in a medium sized 3 BR house built in 1967, with gas furnace.   I just checked my bills for the last 6 years, and my average energy consumption per year is over 13,000 kWh.    Now thats a northern climate.   You can really see the spikes in usage during  Jan-Feb and again in Jul-Aug.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Flatbar
Those calling Gore a hypocrite should read up on what he's personaly doing to reduce his carbon footprint. Better yet, calculate yours and see what you can do to reduce yours.

http://www.carbonfootprint.com/calculator.html

Mine is 2.3 tons, can't afford offsets but we're looking for green energy options and some solar. The average US home with 2 people is responsible for 7.8 tons.

Al's home is powered by green energy wherever possible. The house uses electricity from renewable sources and solar pannels. Every time he flys or drives the carbon emissions are calculated and he buys energy offset credits to make up for any excessive emissions.

Buying offset credits, for those with the means to, is a way of reducing your footprint by funding green energy production.

So, go ahead and bash Gore all you want, just make sure you're using facts instead of hyperbole.

"Do as I say, not as I do".  Uh huh.

Meanwhile...

Al Gore is deciding to throw a 7-city blowout concert, which could:

Cause mass congestion in the host cities, burning hundreds of thousands of gallons of auto fuel as cars idle and as concertgoers try to get to the concerts. This will also create more smog and pollution in those cities.

Burn hundreds of thousands of gallons of jet fuel and limo fuel to fly/drive your celebrities to and from the sites.

Use hundreds of thousands of megawatts of power to broadcast the show simultaneously from all sites, burning tons more fossil fuels from the cities’ power plants.

See thousands of shrimp fished from the sea and flown to the sites as celebrity appetizers, further overfishing the fragile ocean ecosystem.

See merchandise sellers kill thousands of trees to product overpriced “collectors” programs of the event, furthering deforestation. And think of all the oil by-products needed to create the souvenir t-shirts!!

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by Flatbar
Well, since people here tend to not believe scientists unless the're paid by big energy, I posted a link to a different calculator than the ICT one, here it is anyhow...

http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/carboncalculator/

so I should believe one thats paid for by the climate crisis people?  Al Gore?

only has 1 selection for a car, I have two. 5 people,  all electric, no airplane trips, no gas, no oil, no propane.  If I use just the mileage from 1 car I'm larger than average 9.65,  but if I enter my true mileage from both cars I go up to 16.15  so I must be a bad person if I own 2 cars.  then read how they caculate and they say

Size of household: Because many households have more then one person, and energy use is generally recorded for the household as a whole, the calculator allows the user to input number of people in the household. Children will generally have a smaller impact on carbon emissions than adults, thus the calculator suggests including only children of driving age or those who have active schedules. Final energy emissions are divided by the number of people in the household to get the per capita emissions.

so go back and redo and change 5 to 2 and my average jumps to 21.7.  Just who do they think uses most of the electricity in my house?  

its slanted and not very realistic

[Flatbar]

These calculators are just to get a general idea of what you are using and producing. If you are serious about finding out exactly what your numbers are then you have quite a bit of work ahead of you.