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« Reply #390 on: January 02, 2008, 01:24:23 PM »
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The Constitution allows any loon that wants to run to be able to. Just doesn't mean he has a snowballs chance is all. I don't believe in wasting votes. We saw what happened with that in '92.

A wasted vote would possibly bring about another 8 years of a Clinton in the White House and that is FAR worse.
He got more donations in the 4th quarter than any of the GOP "frontrunners", I'd say he's got more than a snowball's chance...  He's also likely outraised Hillary and Obama in Q4 primary contributions.

Based on what the Hillary, Obama and Paul campaigns have revealed, there's a very high probability that Ron Paul significantly outraised both Hillary and Obama in Q4 in primary contributions.

Here's what we know:

- Paul raised at least $19.5 million in Q4, all for the primary (from his press release)
- Hillary raised "over $100 million in 2007" which "does not include an additional $10 million transferred from her senate account" (from her website)
- Hillary had raised $80.3 million as of Q3, not including the senate transfer (see FEC report)
- Hillary has reported in past quarters that about 20% of her total was dedicated for the general election (5 of 27 mil in Q3, 6 of 27 mil in Q2 - see CNN article)

So, if Hillary raised over $19.7 million in Q4 (100 - 80.3), it's likely that only 80% of that, or $15.8 million, is for the primary.

Obama's campaign merely said "Obama will have the financial resources" so it's likely he has raised less than Hillary.

Bottom line: Paul appears to have outraised Hillary by $3.7 million! So who's the most electable Republican now?
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« Reply #391 on: January 02, 2008, 01:53:23 PM »
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The Constitution allows any loon that wants to run to be able to. Just doesn't mean he has a snowballs chance is all. I don't believe in wasting votes. We saw what happened with that in '92.

A wasted vote would possibly bring about another 8 years of a Clinton in the White House and that is FAR worse.

Clinton wouldn't win against Paul.
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« Reply #392 on: January 02, 2008, 02:23:20 PM »
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Clinton wouldn't win against Paul.


I doubt it would be Paul running against Hillary. What I'm nervous about is when he doesn't get the Republican nomination and runs as an independant or Libertarian.

It would be a Ross Perot fiasco all over again.
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« Reply #393 on: January 02, 2008, 03:47:15 PM »
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I doubt it would be Paul running against Hillary. What I'm nervous about is when he doesn't get the Republican nomination and runs as an independant or Libertarian.

It would be a Ross Perot fiasco all over again.
Yeah, yeah...  It was all Perot's fault, just like it was all Nader's fault.  To hell with principles when there's an election to win!

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« Reply #394 on: January 02, 2008, 04:08:32 PM »
Thousands switch from Dem to Repub

hrmmm, I wonder why that could be...  ;)

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« Reply #395 on: January 02, 2008, 04:15:46 PM »
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I doubt it would be Paul running against Hillary. What I'm nervous about is when he doesn't get the Republican nomination and runs as an independant or Libertarian.

It would be a Ross Perot fiasco all over again.

Blame the crappy politician majority who can't even earn enough people's trust for some independent not to be the deciding factor come voting day... And RP said he wouldn't go independent.  Considering his track record of keeping his word, he's more likely to stick to that semi-promise ("99% likely") than just about any other politician has been and will be to keep their word on what they "promise" 100%.
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« Reply #396 on: January 02, 2008, 04:22:04 PM »
Dr. Paul was just on CNN with Wolfie, pretty good interview.  I'll update in a bit with a youtube link...

Also, he'll be on Larry King tonight...

EDIT:  Here's that youtube link I promised...
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« Reply #397 on: January 02, 2008, 05:16:46 PM »
Encouraging post regarding donor:voter ratios at lewrockwell.com.  
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There has been some speculation out there that counting the number of donors to a campaign can determine and multiplying it by a given voter-to-donor ratio, the number of votes can be determined. According to Jim Babka, Paul would need a voter:donor ratio of 22:1 to 28:1 in order to capture 1/3rd of the caucus vote and win (22:1 at 80,000 GOP caucus-goers, and 28:1 with 100,000 GOP caucus-goers). Although voter:donor ratios are hard to come by, I looked at the number of donors prior to the 2004 Democratic Iowa caucus and the number of votes that candidate received (via OpenSecrets.org).

In the '04 Iowa Democratic Caucus, the candidate with the worst (lowest) voter:donor ratio was Dennis Kucinich, with 49 Iowa donors prior to the vote -- which yielded him 1588 votes and a voter:donor ratio of 32:1. If Ron Paul even achieved this low ratio (with his ~1,200 Iowa donors), he would win hands down.
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« Reply #398 on: January 02, 2008, 07:04:51 PM »
Very favorable article on cbsnews.com.
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Actually, if the candidates were judged by the quality of their young supporters, I would now be voting for Ron Paul. Beyond just being polite, the Paul volunteers have an incredible passion for the technical mechanics of the American constitution and body of laws. As I spend time with them, I start to think: I wouldn't want a repairman working on my car who didn't know how it was put together, so why not the same with people who work on my government?

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« Reply #399 on: January 02, 2008, 07:23:08 PM »
Paul Rivals Clinton, Raising Almost $20 Million for Campaign

By Kristin Jensen

Jan. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Presidential candidate Ron Paul raised almost $20 million for his campaign in the last three months, potentially outpacing every one of his Republican rivals and putting his fundraising in league with Hillary Clinton's.

Bloomberg Link

I still would like an answer to my question of what is "loony" about Dr. Paul.
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« Reply #401 on: January 03, 2008, 08:01:49 AM »
rolex..  I told you guys that once the liberals and the press seen past the free pot that they would brand paul as a nutjob.

People everywhere are afraid of individual freedom and responsibility.

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« Reply #402 on: January 03, 2008, 09:47:49 AM »
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rolex..  I told you guys that once the liberals and the press seen past the free pot that they would brand paul as a nutjob.

People everywhere are afraid of individual freedom and responsibility.

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and that's the X factor, the unknown as we gear up for actual votes.  Are the sheep waking up or are they not?  Online and monetary support for the Paul campaign seems strong, but will that translate into votes?  Are we (Paul supporters) just a vocal minority, or is there a rEVOLution happening here?  All viable questions, we'll start getting some answers tonight.

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« Reply #403 on: January 03, 2008, 09:50:32 AM »
well sure... there will be a few turncoats with a mouth full of crow jumping on the doc's bandwagon... but the devoted trotsky neocons and their faux propaganda press will fight the good doctor tooth and nail if he gets an opportunity to thwart their dreams of global socialism.

so...  the doc wants to dismantle the saudi american empire and withdraw from the wto, imf, nafta, nau and no more subsidies for big oil and israel.

i don't think the potheads will be the ones foaming.

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« Reply #404 on: January 03, 2008, 10:07:40 AM »
and thats whats got my attention and vote.  he's not pandering to anyone but the constitution
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