Who is Ron Paul?

[bsdaddict]

Here's the Larry King interview I mentioned yesterday that they ended up deciding not to air.     Starts off a little slow but Dr. Paul doesn't take long to get going.  good stuff...

[moot]

Doesn't load for me, it's stuck at the 8-ball circle animation.

[lazs2]

torque..  he also wants to dismantle the IRS and the welfare system and free health care and social security and the public schools and any of a number of left wing socialist programs that you love...  once you and the pot heads see past the pot and the war.....


yes bsd... I admit it.. I am usually an optimist of the highest order...especially when it comes to my fellow man but for this one thing... I think that most people.. the largest percentage are afraid of freedom and personal responsibility and that they love nothing more than to try to run other peoples lives.

Other than that... people are good and noble as a whole. but.. that is why ron paul will do so poorly..  freedom only sounds good.. the word has a nice ring to it..  it looks good through the pot haze but...  once people stop to think about what the word means.. what it really means... well.. they don't want any part of that crap!

They want the "freedom" to tell others what to do and to get others to pay for what they want to do.   That is "freedom" to most these days I am afraid.

I would love to be proved wrong some day... nothing would make me happier.

lazs

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by moot
Doesn't load for me, it's stuck at the 8-ball circle animation.

link edited, should work now, sry...

[Stang]

Originally posted by lazs2
torque..  he also wants to dismantle the IRS and the welfare system and free health care and social security and the public schools and any of a number of left wing socialist programs that you love...  once you and the pot heads see past the pot and the war.....


yes bsd... I admit it.. I am usually an optimist of the highest order...especially when it comes to my fellow man but for this one thing... I think that most people.. the largest percentage are afraid of freedom and personal responsibility and that they love nothing more than to try to run other peoples lives.

Other than that... people are good and noble as a whole. but.. that is why ron paul will do so poorly..  freedom only sounds good.. the word has a nice ring to it..  it looks good through the pot haze but...  once people stop to think about what the word means.. what it really means... well.. they don't want any part of that crap!

They want the "freedom" to tell others what to do and to get others to pay for what they want to do.   That is "freedom" to most these days I am afraid.

I would love to be proved wrong some day... nothing would make me happier.

lazs

I could not have said it any better.  And I agree the only reason Paul has such a buzz going is his opposition to the war and our engagement around the world.  Sad, but the truth.

[bongaroo]

i love how you keep talking about people seeing through the potsmoke haze.  i've dealt with pot being illegal my whole life, yeah it'd be great if it were legal but me, I don't really care.  it being illegal isn't stopping me.

ron's voting record and small government beliefs are why I want to vote for him (plus fair tax, withdrawal from crappy trade agreements, and get this -omg!  i want him to fight the socailist state!-).  i think you'd be fairly surprised at how many people in all kinds of different careers in so many different places won't fit your stereotype of a pot smoker that enjoy a smoke.  so either get more creative in your mocking or just stop saying it, its gotten quite stale

[Rolex]

The people who are truly "throwing their vote away" are the Republicans and Independents who vote for someone else. Ron Paul is the only Republican who can defeat whomever the Democrats nominate. Anyone else gets beaten (badly) in the general election.

When Hillary Clinton is taking the oath of office on the steps of the US Capitol next year, don't blame Ron Paul if you "wasted your vote" on someone else. You put her there, not Ron Paul.

[texasmom]

Originally posted by moot
In that case you're saying something like Fox News is impartial enough to decide for people who they should have the choice to vote for, or in this case who they see and hear debate with the rest of the candidates, as well as take it upon themselves to hamper the campaign of the candidates they think are less equal.

There's nothing impartial about Fox News, and the only reason you support their choice is because it favors your opinion.  Your sense of impartiality's what's sub-standard here..

Not at all. It's not the responsibility of Fox News (or any of the other TV channels, for that matter) to decide who's worthy of my research.

It's my own responsibility to get out there & search for who I think it top tier, and who isn't.

Anything less is blame-shifting, responsibility-dodging crap.  

Fox isn't casting your vote; you are.  If any of y'all don't like what you see: whatever, just get out there & keep searching and stop waiting for others to spoonfeed you what you think is correct.

[AWMac]

Where is YOUR Ron Paul now?

[AWMac]

Originally posted by AWMac

Just what I thought.

Mac

[bsdaddict]

Looks like he'll get around 10%.  That's a good start.  I'll bet NH improves on that quite a bit.  Besides, look who Iowa wants to nominate.  Huckabee ain't gonna last much past NH, IMO...

[AWMac]

He was lucky to start with 9%.  

He'll never see 10%.

I see the excuses happening now... "Oh he'll do better in NH...err VA...err FL......

Wait.... hear that?

It's Rosie O'Donnel and she's singin...



Mac

[Tango]

I doubt Paul is gonna do much, coming in at 5th place.

[AWMac]

Far better horses were turned into glue for 5th place.



Mac

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Rolex
The people who are truly "throwing their vote away" are the Republicans and Independents who vote for someone else. Ron Paul is the only Republican who can defeat whomever the Democrats nominate. Anyone else gets beaten (badly) in the general election.

When Hillary Clinton is taking the oath of office on the steps of the US Capitol next year, don't blame Ron Paul if you "wasted your vote" on someone else. You put her there, not Ron Paul.

On things domestic, I don't think I've seen anything I particularly dislike about Paul (though eliminating welfare is a pipe dream...as conservative as I am, even I see that SOME of these programs have to stay in some form) Although...he finds the border fence..."offensive"??

It's when we leave the borders that I have a problem with him--
North Korea invades South Korea? <"Not my problem">
China invades Taiwan? ...............<"Not my problem">
He wants to remove every soldier from every overseas base and bring them home...That would be pissing away our trump card as the most powerful nation on Earth, and we CANT get along without the rest of the Earth, unless we can figure out how to replace all that oil we get from Saudi Arabia, (which would be under Iraqi rule but for us) and Congress won't let us drill anywhere here....and just bcause we try to be nice to Islamic murdering nutbergers doesn't mean they will reciprocate. If we remove our influence from the rest of the Earth, a vacuum will be created that will be filled by folks who will hate our guts whether we all live here in the 50 states or not. What is his view about the Pakistan situation? Ignore it and let it play out? There is more than a small chance that Alqueda sympathizers could get hold of their nukes, and for that, I'm damn glad we got people in the area who can deal with that