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Offline Dichotomy

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« Reply #60 on: March 22, 2007, 08:45:23 PM »
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oops....sorry...please go back to your verbal combat...I was an intermission!

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ya you kept me from posting an inane picture to lighten the mood :)
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« Reply #61 on: March 22, 2007, 08:47:33 PM »
I have rolled up my sleeves and thus have excercised my right to bare arms.

'nuff said.

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« Reply #62 on: March 22, 2007, 08:50:44 PM »
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I have rolled up my sleeves and thus have excercised my right to bare arms.

'nuff said.

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LOL welcome back, for real strife, you should have posted in the global warming thread. ;)
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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #63 on: March 22, 2007, 08:52:37 PM »
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I always love these threads on the validity of the 2nd.

MT, first off, let me just say that I find your name (Midnight TARGET) especially fitting when viewed next to your opinions on this issue.  I find lots of irony and humor in that.

 


I'm also a gun owner.
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Offline Toad

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« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2007, 08:57:39 PM »
In that case, I'm curious.

If the DC decision goes to the court, will you be happier if the individual right aspect of the 2nd is upheld or happier if it is rejected?
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« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2007, 09:00:14 PM »
I don't think either decision would have a direct affect on my life. I'm usually in favor of less government interference with my rights though.

What exactly makes you think I would be happy if the SC strikes down the DC case?

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« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2007, 09:37:27 PM »
what would be the result of a high court ban against the right of individuals to keep and bear arms?

To make private ownership of firearms illegal?  I cannot even fathom the possibility.
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« Reply #67 on: March 22, 2007, 09:40:03 PM »
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So if I had enough money to buy a nuke, it would be OK?


yes, but you'd have a very difficult time keeping it without drawing much unwanted attention.
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Offline Toad

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« Reply #68 on: March 23, 2007, 08:03:18 AM »
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I don't think either decision would have a direct affect on my life. I'm usually in favor of less government interference with my rights though.



So you don't care either way? You're ambivalent? Not rooting for either side?
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« Reply #69 on: March 23, 2007, 08:17:41 AM »
Is this like one of those parlor games where you always answer a question with a question?
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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #70 on: March 23, 2007, 08:23:37 AM »
toad..  I don't think MT is so much rooting for a side in the arguement as he is rooting for the democrats to come out ahead in the thing...  It amounts to him rooting for a ban on firearms tho.

He would gladly give up his $75 gun if it would please hillary or if he could use it to buy some more power for the democrats or social programs.  He does not consider socialism as being government interference in his life.

Democrats who are ambivolent about guns have the same dillema that republicans who don't care about abortion do.   It gets worse when you feel strongly about guns or abortion and are on the wrong team.

Back to the second...  mt cites miller a lot... in miller the judges said that the "militia" was the whole body of the people.   They found that sawed off shotguns had not value to a militia.  this was wrong but... hey... it was a mistake of ignorance of firearms not law.

Militia is simply the people.. the "people" is simply the people..  

Arms and ord are different.   Local regulations can prohibit destructive (explosive) devices or regulate their storage.   You don't have the right to endanger your neighbors with a bio hazard... weapons grade or not.

the banning of machine guns and short shotguns and silencers was unconstitutional.    I don't know how mt can read it any other way.   When it comes to destructive devices we can talk about that.

But for now... we need to correct the 39 miller decision.  It was unconstitutional and it helped no one.

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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #71 on: March 23, 2007, 08:30:50 AM »
That was amazing lazs. You are like the world's worst mind reader.
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Offline Toad

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« Reply #72 on: March 23, 2007, 08:58:02 AM »
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Is this like one of those parlor games where you always answer a question with a question?


No, this is like a conversation, only it is in written form.

Sometimes in a conversation, you ask your friend a question and he answers without answering. So you ask again in a slightly different way until he finally answers the original question.

Or makes it plain he doesn't want to answer because he doesn't want you to know what he really thinks.
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« Reply #73 on: March 23, 2007, 09:04:16 AM »
mt...you own a gun (such as it is) and you vote for democrats.   Not just democrats but the worst offenders of the second amendment..

You are either a very conflicted person or.. you don't really care about firearms at all.  

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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #74 on: March 23, 2007, 10:31:31 AM »
My gun's bigger than yours lazs.

I just think there is a place in society for reasonable gun controls.
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