Time to help the Me-410

[Charge]

"The Me.410 is not uber."

Prolly not.

I'd expect it to fly like a Mossie if it did not have the near useless dead weight in form of tail gunner. But it has the wing slats and I think that helps it quite much in retaining control in turns. The wing planform looks similar to Mossie.

However, it's my main candidate after the Brewy was dropped.

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"The Finns claimed less than they got the entire war."

I'm not sure about this but I heard that they are going to open the records in Russia so we will get confirmation of what the actual figure is. There were a few pilots who were awarded a few more kills after the war after investigations.

-C+

[Widewing]

"time to help the Me 410"....

Too late, it's already gone from the competition.

My regards,

Widewing

[humble]

Originally posted by moot
You know what Humble?  I'll take you up on that.
Provided we get it with MK103s, your 38 won't get more than 49% victories against my 410

The gun package wont matter...nothing is gonna out laser the IL-2. The 410 doesnt have the armor or nimbleness of the IL-2 (wingloading 31 lbs/sqf) to really effectively work the reverses. It's not very easy to kill a 38 (even as badly as I fly it) in an A-20, 110 or mossie unless you have alt & E at the beginning. I dont see the 410 being a match for the mossie let alone the 38......but when we get it (now or later) look me up....be fun to find out how it does.

The leading Zerstörer pilot of the war was Tratt. He has 5 38 kills (along with 3 hurricanes){38 total}. In the context of a bomber intercept I can see the 410 being effective against the 38. No detail online I can see but he got 3 in 20 minutes on 2/11/44 so he was mixing it up with a bunch of em. This fits pretty well with the comments from one of the guys from the 20th FG (79thFS). No question the 38's were pushed to the limit trying to fly long range escort for the buff's.

"Angrily, we were told that the 79th. had lost half the squadron the day before, including the Deputy Grp. CO, Lt. Col. Montgomery; that he had been on the phone since the mission return, all night and all morning trying to answer the questions of everyone from 8th. AF Headquarters to the lowest Wing weenie; and that the 20th. had been "stood down" from combat indefinitely, for reorganization."

""We were deeply jolted by being told not to expect to survive this thing, but if we did survive the first three to five missions there might be a slight hope for us. We were also told that, if we felt we couldn't fly formation and/or were afraid to die.....just quit now. Leaving formation would not be tolerated, and Jackson would personally shoot us down if we went off chasing some German by ourselves. "

{link to full article below}

This is pretty typical of the flawed "close escort" tactics used at the time....however in a purely fighter on fighter encounter I think the 410 would have very little chance....


Tratt

79th SQ/20thFG "history"

[Viking]

Originally posted by humble
I've NEVER seen you man up and "give credit".

It’s not my fault that you refuse to acknowledge it. Nor is it my fault that you are incapable of accepting that people have different opinions than yours.

Originally posted by Viking
You are correct, deliveries began in May 1943, my mistake.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Widewing
"time to help the Me 410"....

Too late, it's already gone from the competition.

My regards,

Widewing

Too bad. Maybe next time.

[Treize69]

When is the funeral? I need to give my hopes and dreams a proper burial.

[Joachim]

Most unique and interesting aircraft of the vote is now a thing of the past.

Oh joy.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Joachim
Most unique and interesting aircraft of the vote is now a thing of the past.

Oh joy.

Well, the Me 410 had a lot of support in the forums. However, the rank and file players (not especially knowledgeable of WWII aircraft) will vote for the more familiar aircraft. Inasmuch as the majority of players are Americans, that means the P-39, B-25 and A-26 are going to generate a lot of votes.

I suspect that this will come down to the P-39 and B-25 in the final vote.

My regards,

Widewing

[humble]

Originally posted by Viking
It’s not my fault that you refuse to acknowledge it. Nor is it my fault that you are incapable of accepting that people have different opinions than yours.

hehe I guess I have to give you that one:)

[tedrbr]

[Wilbus]

[Karnak]

I am now voting for the B-25 for Toad's dad and so that there is an early war Allied bomber that the early war Axis fighters can actually catch.

[Wilbus]

I won't even vote for the B25 when hell freezes over!

Yak 3 got my vote now. it will be eliminated in this round though. After that the A26 has my vote.

[moot]

Humble, the 410 is out, but just for the sake of discussion:

The numbers don't matter so much.. look at the 152.  Its only chance in pretty much any fight is to exploit its clean airframe and land snapshots.. Saddling up in a 152 at anything but high speed is a point of no return.
I can handle a 38 in the mossie pretty much everytime.

I do think the MK103 will be comparable to the 23mm's.. the latter's higher ROF is only good if you count on having to shoot much.

As for anecdotes of the 410's furballing ineptitude, have you seen some for the 110 as well?  It would contradict the 110 doing as well as it does in AH.

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by Treize69
When is the funeral? I need to give my hopes and dreams a proper burial.

Here's a time and labor saving device for you.