Senate majority leader: Iraq war is LOST

[Toad]

Originally posted by Viking
So they shot collaborators and a few ”enemies”...  but I’ve never heard it described as a “bloodbath” before.  

Well, since Aqua hasn't answered yet, what would you consider a "few" or how many would qualify in your mind as a "bloodbath"?

Simple question.

[68ROX]

The war was WON YEARS ago...

Now it's crucial to make sure the peace is not lost.

Politicians can be such a55hats.

68ROX

[Viking]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Bit of a difference between loosing and quitting
 

Nope. In war it’s the same thing. In the Vietnam War you gave up and surrendered the battlefield to the enemy. It wasn’t your own territory however, just that of an ally ... which you also lost.

Originally posted by Toad
Well, since Aqua hasn't answered yet, what would you consider a "few" or how many would qualify in your mind as a "bloodbath"?

Simple question.

I’m not going to play a numbers game with you Toad. The definition of “bloodbath” is subjective and also dependant on context. In the context of a peacetime murder a slaughtered family is a “bloodbath”. In the context of war a slaughtered family isn’t even noteworthy.

[john9001]

viking, sorry but you failed the test "vietman war", you need to study some more. Reference Paris peace accords.

we will retest next week.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Viking
Nope. In war it’s the same thing. In the Vietnam War you gave up and surrendered the battlefield to the enemy. It wasn’t your own territory however, just that of an ally ... which you also lost.

 

but we werent forced to give up the battlefeild BY the enemy.
but by political movements a home.

Normally when you loose to an enemy it is because they have defeated you.
Which they did not.
The war was lost. some two years later. By the South Vietnamese

[Toad]

Originally posted by Viking
I’m not going to play a numbers game with you Toad. The definition of “bloodbath” is subjective and also dependant on context. In

I'm asking for your subjective opinion in the context of the aftermath of the NV takeover of SV post 1975. Surely you can now offer a number.


But I'll wager you won't.

I don't blame you; it's no fun to be embarassed.

Maybe Aqua will stand his ground; never expected you to do so anyway.

[AquaShrimp]

My subjective opinion is that a bloodbath begins with an execution rate 10X that of the peacetime rate.

[Viking]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
but we werent forced to give up the battlefeild BY the enemy.
but by political movements a home.

Normally when you loose to an enemy it is because they have defeated you.
Which they did not.
The war was lost. some two years later. By the South Vietnamese

You are arguing over semantics. The NVA and VC fought a war of attrition against you and you got tired of it and gave up. Your nation’s will to fight was slowly but surely eroded away. When the Germans lost WWI the front lines were still in France and the low countries, but for economical and political reasons Germany chose to give up.

The North Vietnamese defeated you, just like the Arabs now will defeat you: By destroying your will to fight.

You will kill 10 of our men, and we will kill 1 of yours, and in the end it will be you who tire of it. – Ho Chi Minh

And he was right.

Originally posted by Toad
I'm asking for your subjective opinion in the context of the aftermath of the NV takeover of SV post 1975. Surely you can now offer a number.

It was not a “bloodbath” in my opinion.

Originally posted by Toad
I don't blame you; it's no fun to be embarassed.

Embarrassed is spelled with two R’s, and no … your attempt at goading me into one of your arguments over semantics will not succeed. No matter how many personal attacks you make.

[Elfie]

Don't forget they also went to war with China over Cambodia and won.

China went to war with Vietnam over Cambodia, not the other way around. As far as who *won*......that depends on what the Chinese goals were to begin with and that still isn't clear.

[Hazzer]

I see,so this war will be lost by the Iraqi's ##yrs down the road.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Hazzer
I see,so this war will be lost by the Iraqi's ##yrs down the road.

Just like in Vietnam, you will give up, betray your allies and leave them to fend for themselves. An apt metaphor would be that of a dog running away with his tail between his legs. In Vietnam at least you didn’t start the conflict, but in Iraq you actually invaded a sovereign country and sparked off this whole mess. As usual it will be the local population and your allies that will pay dearly for this folly. You will run away before the inevitable defeat, but you will have lost the war as surely as Italy lost WWII … even if they switched sides at the last moment.

[lazs2]

maybe... but...

one thing is for sure.. that is what you hope for in the deepest recess of your little liberal socialist heart because....

It makes living in a dying socialist country with no power seem less bleak than it is.  It justifies your failure if we fail.

lazs

[Viking]

Lol Lasz. Your bait is as stinky as your wooden leg.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Viking
Just like in Vietnam, you will give up, betray your allies and leave them to fend for themselves. An apt metaphor would be that of a dog running away with his tail between his legs. In Vietnam at least you didn’t start the conflict, but in Iraq you actually invaded a sovereign country and sparked off this whole mess.  

By August 2003, there were about 22,000 troops from 27 countries other than the United States in Iraq

Countries which had troops in or supported operations in Iraq at one point but have pulled out since: Nicaragua (Feb. 2004); Spain (late-Apr. 2004); Dominican Republic (early-May 2004); Honduras (late-May 2004); Philippines (~Jul. 19, 2004); Thailand (late-Aug. 2004); New Zealand (late Sep. 2004); Tonga (mid-Dec. 2004) Portugal (mid-Feb. 2005); The Netherlands (Mar. 2005); Hungary (Mar. 2005); Singapore (Mar. 2005); Norway (Oct. 2005); Ukraine (Dec. 2005); Japan (July 17, 2006); Italy (Nov. 2006); Slovakia (Jan 2007).

So Norge supported the cause but later gave up, betrayed its allies and left them to fend for themselves.

Too bad your 20/20 hindsight isn't foresight.

[lazs2]

laughing through the tears eh viking boy?

You guys give up before you even start.. any glory you once had is long gone... like all the other socialist countries.

lazs