Knight Rook or Bish

[B@tfinkV]

tis a shame really, stang, i remember when the two (or three) opposing hordes would actually be fighting in the same sector as each other.


imagine that!

[SEraider]

Quote from Lee Emrey (sgt hartman from Full Metal Jacket) regarding the 3 countries:

"The lowest form of life, pukes, not even human F*cking beings.  We are all equally worthless!"

[crockett]

Originally posted by Stang
Every country gangs the others just the same.  I love the "my country is always getting ganged" paranoia.

Well I know it happens to the Nits as they always suffer from low numbers.  I know it happens to the Rooks typically we have the numbers advantage. However I doesn't seem to happen very often to the Bish.

This Screen Shot could have been taken any day since the TT map has been up in Orange. Simply because everyday is the same. Rooks get ganged on by both Bish and Nits pretty much non stop.



Nits and Bish fight, but seems to be a stale mate in the 9 and 10 area.. Soon as the Nits get 9 back the fighting seems to stop and it goes back to both teams attacking Rooks.

I haven't seen the knights push the fight to the Bish this entire round other than to get their bases back (9 and 10), after that they pretty much stop fighting Bish.

Last night I logged off because Rooks were getting ganged on both ends yet we were also getting hit with high ENY as well. Tonight I log in see the same BS and logged back out, not even worth the effort.

You can clearly see by the DAR that Rooks are out numbered at both fronts even though we have the total numbers advantage. Yet we still get penalized by ENY that will jump from 10 to 25 and anywhere in between.

Not saying this only happens to the Rooks, I know it happens to the other sides as well however at least when the Knights get ganged on they generally don't suffer from ENY as well. Bish get hit with ENY but never seems to be the same as what we deal with.

This is the reason I've suggested in the past that ENY should be baised off the numbers in sectors rather than just the total number on each team.

btw only reason the Bish have such low numbers, is because they are close to a reset in Blue.. So the Bish numbers were in blue at the time of this SS.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by crockett
Last night I logged off because Rooks were getting ganged on both ends yet we were also getting hit with high ENY as well. Tonight I log in see the same BS and logged back out, not even worth the effort.

 

Numpty, switch sides.



Steve

[Stampf]

Yesterday:

Gianlupo to Stampf after switching from Bish to Knights:  "Sorry I shot you down earlier Stampf.  Forgot I was a Bish.  "

Stampf to Gianlupo: "I was red to you, nice job. "

And thats all there is to it.

[E25280]

Originally posted by crockett
Well I know it happens to the Nits as they always suffer from low numbers.  I know it happens to the Rooks typically we have the numbers advantage. However I doesn't seem to happen very often to the Bish.

This Screen Shot could have been taken any day since the TT map has been up in Orange. Simply because everyday is the same. Rooks get ganged on by both Bish and Nits pretty much non stop.



Nits and Bish fight, but seems to be a stale mate in the 9 and 10 area.. Soon as the Nits get 9 back the fighting seems to stop and it goes back to both teams attacking Rooks.

I haven't seen the knights push the fight to the Bish this entire round other than to get their bases back (9 and 10), after that they pretty much stop fighting Bish.

Last night I logged off because Rooks were getting ganged on both ends yet we were also getting hit with high ENY as well. Tonight I log in see the same BS and logged back out, not even worth the effort.

You can clearly see by the DAR that Rooks are out numbered at both fronts even though we have the total numbers advantage. Yet we still get penalized by ENY that will jump from 10 to 25 and anywhere in between.

Not saying this only happens to the Rooks, I know it happens to the other sides as well however at least when the Knights get ganged on they generally don't suffer from ENY as well. Bish get hit with ENY but never seems to be the same as what we deal with.

This is the reason I've suggested in the past that ENY should be baised off the numbers in sectors rather than just the total number on each team.

btw only reason the Bish have such low numbers, is because they are close to a reset in Blue.. So the Bish numbers were in blue at the time of this SS.

And yet, despite ENY restrictions and being "ganged", the rooks have 100% of their own bases, 9.5% of Bish bases and 19.0% of Knight bases.

So clearly it must be collaboration against the poor Rooks -- trying to regain their lost territory or attacking the biggest threat couldn't possibly have anything to do with it.

[crockett]

Originally posted by E25280
And yet, despite ENY restrictions and being "ganged", the rooks have 100% of their own bases, 9.5% of Bish bases and 19.0% of Knight bases.

So clearly it must be collaboration against the poor Rooks -- trying to regain their lost territory or attacking the biggest threat couldn't possibly have anything to do with it.

Hey us Rooks can't help it if you Nits and Bish can't capture our bases.. You can clearly see we are out numbered at both fronts. I guess the truth is in the stats that were posted.

I'm just *****ing cause I can't fly the 262..  

[B@tfinkV]

speaking in terms of my enemy, so excluding knights.


Rooks are far more timid and tactical. rooks do fly higher, fact. the influences of the cunning general shawk and his minions have shaped many rooks to be very efficient energy fighters and alot of rooks seem to be flying with the intention of landing thier plane intact. a furballer low and slow in rook land is not likely to find many of his kind on the deck, we're talking 10k minimum if you expect to survive. most Rooks will always feel happy about being number 6 in the que for a single con, often blowing all thier E just to help the already doomed enemy on his way. ack is the rooks best friend but they sure know how to put an assault down on an enemy field when they get organised to it. not to be underestimated.  unless it a vulchfest you wont be racking up high scores on rooks without alot of effort.

Bishops are the extended family and soldiers of the evil mastermind ghi! pity the fool who gives ghi even a single shot on them. ghi has in noble spirit led many of the bish down the path of true light, the furball. Bish will always put out for a furball, flying in at reasonable alt and some even right on the deck straight into tree top merry-go-rounds. the knight or rook that comes in the club bishops at around 7-10k is a mean hearted soul indeed and could be in for a shock from the few bishops that do fly higher with the same finesse as so many rooks. these high alt bish are most likely found around 15-20k and very rarely do they come low enough to start a gangbang on a low encounter between a few furballers. bish seem to be much more inclined to fight out of the ack, but they often play defence around thier own sectors unless they really want your land.


I've flown with both and enjoyed the company of many good people of the time.

Knights do it all. you will find knights from 1k to 30k. this is why knights dont really capture bases. we are always busy fighting the rooks in the clouds and the bish over the trees. knights are not influenced by anythign and believe in the lone wolf, ask if they need help before engaging type of players. the squadrons work together but organisation on a national scale is minimal.


tell me there is no difference if you will, but this is how i see my opponents as i fly 99% of the time nits.
I also fly most of the time as a low alt furballer, if think this stat therefore helps to back up my evaluations.

[Sloehand]

Originally posted by LTARsqrl
OK, this is my take on the side issue.  A year or so ago, LTAR were Knights.  They were Knights since I had started.  At that time, Bishops were the underdogs.  They were always low on numbers.

As a squad, we decided to do a rotation for one month to each side, Bishops first, then Rooks, then back to Knights.  This rotation was due in part to two things.  One, the Knights had become very disorganized.  You couldn't get a player to come to your aid even if he were flying right over you.  One for all and all for himself.  Secondly, to help boost the Bishops numbers a tad.

The first night we went to the Bishops, we were welcomed.  People would come and assist if called, and we went and helped when they called.  In the first few days, we were made to feel welcome and made to feel at home.  At the end of the rotation, they made it clear that they were sorry we were going, but understood why.

The first night we went to Rooks, it was a totally different situation.  We were not welcome.  There was one squad, HAs (<>), that made the attempt to welcome us as Rooks.  MOST of the rest didn't want to have anything to do with us to the point of name calling on country channel.  It didn't take us more than a week to decide that we didn't want to finish the tour and as a squad, we decided to change back to the Bishops where we had friends.

As for the difference in the three sides and loyalty to a chess piece?  We have loyalty to our friends.  No matter who they play for.  We left some really good people on the Knights, but as a squad, we felt more at home and felt we could do the most good for the Bishops.  The Rooks have some really good people too.  A lot of them just seem to be closed minded when it comes to accepting players from other sides.

Bishops, Knights and Rooks all have good and bad sticks.  Good and bad players.  Noobs and squeekers.  The difference lies in how each side deals with them.

LTARsqrl  <>

So, I see our secret Bishop plot to fool you into thinking we actually LIKED you to get you to stay Bish worked.  It's your A2G skills we like, to kill rooknits.  How could we ever come to like people like Moil, or Sqrl, Kilz, or ugh, dare I even say his name...  Drgn!!!    Muuuuhaaaaaaa!  Our evil plan worked!!!     LOL    

[Sloehand]

Originally posted by Yarbles
2 Camps on this as in:

1) Those who say intuitively we are all the same.

2) Those whose anecdotal experience and loyalties lead to certain conclusions.

The data however with such a large sample size points to the Rooks being the most skilled and the Bishops the least. Since the Knights achive least according to popular perception but are not the least skilled they may be the worst organised  

Don't think the conclusions on any mass stats in AH can be truly valid, because there is no finite population for any side.  Rooks fly bish and knit, some bish fly rook and knit, and ditto for the knits.  In other words, the population (bish, rook, knit) for which you attribute the statistics is never homogenous.

There is no way to reach a valid conclusion if you don't know the finite make up of the population for which the statistics were gathered.  

As just one example of why this is true, consider this.  For all anyone knows (or can prove), the Bish may actuallybe better pilots overall.  However, Rooks show on top maybe because more good Bish and Knit pilots fly Rook often enough to skew the scores in the Rooks favor.  Maybe even further skewed by the fact that more bad Rook pilots fly Bish or Knit more often than good pilots, thus skewing the Bish and Knit scores downward.  Finally, result - Rooks are uber.  Pure trash as it is unprovable.

Statistically speaking, mass statistics here are a joke, even over time, showing what appears to be a trend, because too many factors are in play all the time that can skew the numbers.  You're better off accepting anecdotal evidence from the community to reach any conlusion than to use these stats.

[Yarbles]

Originally posted by Sloehand
As just one example of why this is true, consider this.  For all anyone knows (or can prove), the Bish may actuallybe better pilots overall.  However, Rooks show on top maybe because more good Bish and Knit pilots fly Rook often enough to skew the scores in the Rooks favor.  .

Just to piss on your bonfire when a rook pilot flys bish then he/she is a Bish and when you encounter them guess what they are Bish so can you not see you are losing the plot.

You are trying to make a point however true which in practice has very little meaning. I mean    Rooksa re better pilots than Bish pilots cos their best pilots infact are more likely to fly with another side so this is not borne out in the scores:rolleyes:

What we are trying to do here is identify and explain a subjective experience not uncover the mysteries of the universe:noid

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by Stampf
Yesterday:

Gianlupo to Stampf after switching from Bish to Knights:  "Sorry I shot you down earlier Stampf.  Forgot I was a Bish.  "

Stampf to Gianlupo: "I was red to you, nice job. "

And thats all there is to it.

<>

[lyric1]

Originally posted by Lusche
Knights are the noble warriors of AH2, playing always well organised & fair.

Bishops are the Defenders of the Faith of Pure Aerial Combat.

Rooks are the solid foundation of this game, the honorable helping hand when you need one.

Wow that was deep.

[trotter]

Sloehand, what you have said is true in small samples but a complete croc in terms of data as large as this. I fly for bish now, so I am not being biased. What Zazen's data indicates is unmistakable proof that both rooks and knights are (by the scoring standards determined by HTC) better fighter pilots. Unmistakable.

Mass statistics are not "a joke". There is an entire statistical significance formula that proves otherwise. If we had the raw numbers of the data provided (ie how many pilots were involved, how many kills were recorded), I am sure we could prove statistically to at least a 95% confidence level that the data accumulated is not random.

Furthermore, what you're saying is questionable even on sort of a philosophical standpoint. If all those "good" bish pilots are flying rook and knight and accumulating stats for them, are they even bish anymore? The same goes for rook and knight pilots flying for bish. One might argue that you are only associated with the country that you are accumulating stats for at any given moment.

It may seem to you to be a better choice to rely on anecdotal evidence, but even that can be broken down into statistics. If we took all the ancedotal evidence in this entire thread, and rated fighter skill on a scale from 1 to 3, 1 being lowest 3 being highest, it seems to me as if the ratings would still be (lowest) bish, knight, (highest) rook. Anecdotal evidence in this thread seems, to me, to just be backing up what the statistics are saying.

This may seem disturbing or offensive to bish pilots that they are being labeled as generally poor in their fighting ability. Well, all I can say is to compare only yourself to your opponents. You do not represent the entire country you fly for. I have spent a good deal of time flying with every country, and I really enjoy flying with the bish, whether or not the stats say they have a lower K/D. I have flown with some very skilled fellow bish pilots. And I have seen below average pilots flying for every country. What's best is just to keep continually learning the game, enjoying the company of the people you fly with, and having fun.

[WaRLoCkL]

I started off as a knight for first month and a half, found a squad, but promly moved to Rooks with new fellow freinds of the squad to form our own squad. Now I am a Die HARD ROOK!!!!

I recently spent a night on the knight side because of our usual massive eny. It was totally different expereince, i found no teamwork, and the vox was silent as a ghost town, no check sixes, no plane calls, no order or cordination at all, everyone was out for themselfs. but i do not remember it that way. but alot of things have changed since i was a knight, alot of the big squads are now gone.

the bish however, can get organized and quicky make u pay for comming into their territory, they will hunt in packs and seem to carry some of the biggest squads. ive been on that side flying with bucky and his crew, and its far better organized than the knights, and they will stop u from taking a base quicky and make u pay for comming over there.

The Rooks are sheere numbers. but I will say very well organized, alot of missions are ran, alot of TEAMWORK. thats why we reset most the maps. I also think most of the experienced better pilots are rooks.